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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: When I looked over it that was what it looked like to me. On Sat, May 5, 2018, 06:22 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2018-05-05 13:16 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> >> >> 2018-05-05 12:44 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services >> : >> >>> We have discussion of Slack because of its ability to do threading, and >> [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.7 URIBL_BLACK Contains an URL listed in the URIBL blacklist [URIs: discord.gg] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.213.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.213.48 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (comcaresvcs[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails 0.0 T_REMOTE_IMAGE Message contains an external image Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7654401284107534119==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7654401284107534119== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000002cb94056b789225" --00000000000002cb94056b789225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I looked over it that was what it looked like to me. On Sat, May 5, 2018, 06:22 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2018-05-05 13:16 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> >> >> 2018-05-05 12:44 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services >> : >> >>> We have discussion of Slack because of its ability to do threading, and >>> its limitations for storage, we've had discussion of Telegram or anothe= r >>> totally linear chat, both as a desirable and undesirable trait. Discord= had >>> been brought up with its lack of real threading and its structure on mo= bile >>> devices which some like and some do not. Several other options have als= o >>> been raised. Woost/Wust, which I was unable to download and look at bec= ause >>> it's being changed so dramatically. Mattermost costs money. >>> >> >> It doesn't. >> > > Here is an example. > > https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7= yw > > Threads supported. > > >> >> >>> Rocket Chat doesn't support chats and I'm not familiar with it so can't >>> run a meeting on it right now. Gitit is a wiki-type set up. >>> >>> I've looked over all of these and decided that for this meeting we'll >>> use Discord. I am familiar with it, we can take threading with permissi= ons >>> and move away from threading if the conversations becomes confusing, we= can >>> pin the agents file, and it keeps a record. If we find ourselves unhapp= y >>> with this solution, we can make other arrangements later. >>> >>> The link to our new Discord LLG Channel, with rim for this and other >>> meetings, is; >>> >>> https://discord.gg/t73uD8H >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Sat, May 5, 2018, 00:58 Gleki Arxokuna >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2018-05-05 4:54 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services >>> >: >>>> >>>>> Woost might be great, except it's being updated and apparently isn't >>>>> Woost. I also haven't ever used it so would want to take a look first= since >>>>> I'm currently President. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maintained software is usually permanently updated. No updates is a >>>> usually a sign of dead projects. >>>> I think it won't be any good to change to a tool that is worse than th= e >>>> current mailing list in handling threads. >>>> Woost is more powerful than the current mailing list system. I just >>>> showed what could be theoretically used. >>>> >>>> But let's try some messengers then. I vote for Slack. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> .karis. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018, 15:08 Gleki Arxokuna >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2018-05-02 21:30 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : >>>>>> >>>>>>> How about using channel categories as threads? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Person A utters something and this message must have an ability to >>>>>> start a new thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is how it's done in Slack: >>>>>> http://joxi.net/Dr8Xo51tkwO3Or >>>>>> Any message can become a seed to a whole thread. >>>>>> Channel categories are forethought things. You can not know >>>>>> beforehand which topics will be raised or (sic!) what a certain topi= c will *shift >>>>>> into*. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ideally, we'd want a tree-like structure >>>>>> 1. like commenting system at jbovlaste.lojban.org or >>>>>> 2. like when one creates new threads by changing topics of email >>>>>> messages and other people replying to particular messages. Not chani= ng the >>>>>> topic of en email message equals to continuing the thread, changing = the >>>>>> topic means opening a new thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (we may even consider a hypergraph system like >>>>>> https://github.com/woost/wust but it could be an overkill) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know what Discord permission is needed to be able to create >>>>>>> new #-categories but I suppose it is possible to give all the membe= rs this >>>>>>> power somehow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Among self-hosted ones >>>>>>> Mattermost supports threads (Mattermost can be installed e.g. via >>>>>>> https://github.com/mozilla/mattermost-heroku/). >>>>>>> Rocket.Chats do not support threads: >>>>>>> https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/issues/1112 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Self-hosting software seems to me like an overkill. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also note that Slack retains not more than 10,000 messages in its >>>>>>> free of charge plan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2018-04-30 8:33 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks = : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I prefer threads. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~ Curtis W. Franks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 01:25 Gleki Arxokuna < >>>>>>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks >>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> According to this ( >>>>>>>>>> https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land= /suggestions/15859336-threaded-text-chat >>>>>>>>>> ), which is not even a month old, it seems to be impossible. I s= ee multiple >>>>>>>>>> other requests for the same feature going back several years, so= it seems >>>>>>>>>> that either it is impossible or a decent fraction of the prospec= tive >>>>>>>>>> Discord community does not know how to do it (of course, my sear= ch is going >>>>>>>>>> to bias my results). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I should add that I did not read the entire page all the way - >>>>>>>>>> just a few comments in order to make sure that no-one immediatel= y told the >>>>>>>>>> original poster that threading is indeed possible. If someone di= d so later >>>>>>>>>> on, though, then I definitely missed it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Neither does Gitter: >>>>>>>>> https://gitter.im/gitterHQ/topics/topic/57f4e71fe581953f7e9b9833/= integrating-topics-with-chat >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We then need to decide if we need threads that is whether we shal= l >>>>>>>>> discuss several topics in parallel. >>>>>>>>> If some of us do then we need to think of software that supports >>>>>>>>> it. As I said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) soft= ware can >>>>>>>>> do that, idk. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ~~~ Curtis >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Garanti >>>>>>> sans virus. www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <#m_7813154328075192335_m_7293707312263603774_m_2284121673543324417= _m_8021749594615674294_m_-6607237438278547543_m_7341558891803489185_m_82801= 84215711468859_m_6794018740523581461_m_-2489832248397018812_m_5150670592946= 191930_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --00000000000002cb94056b789225 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I looked over it that was what it looked like to me.= =C2=A0

On Sat, May 5, = 2018, 06:22 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-05-05 13:16 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna &l= t;gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:


2018-05-05 12:44 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services &= lt;comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
We have discussion of Slack because= of its ability to do threading, and its limitations for storage, we've= had discussion of Telegram or another totally linear chat, both as a desir= able and undesirable trait. Discord had been brought up with its lack of re= al threading and its structure on mobile devices which some like and some d= o not. Several other options have also been raised. Woost/Wust, which I was= unable to download and look at because it's being changed so dramatica= lly. Mattermost costs money.

I= t doesn't.=C2=A0

Here is an example.


Threads supported.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Rocket Chat doesn't= support chats and I'm not familiar with it so can't run a meeting = on it right now. Gitit is a wiki-type set up.

I've looked over all of these and decided that for this= meeting we'll use Discord. I am familiar with it, we can take threadin= g with permissions and move away from threading if the conversations become= s confusing, we can pin the agents file, and it keeps a record. If we find = ourselves unhappy with this solution, we can make other arrangements later.=

The link to our new Dis= cord LLG Channel, with rim for this and other meetings, is;

=

On Sat, May 5, 2018, 00:58 Gleki Arxokuna= <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-05-05 4:54 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
Woost might be great, except it's being updated and apparently isn&#= 39;t Woost. I also haven't ever used it so would want to take a look fi= rst since I'm currently President.


Maintained software is usually permanently updated. No upd= ates is a usually a sign of dead projects.=C2=A0
I think it won&#= 39;t be any good to change to a tool that is worse than the current mailing= list in handling threads.
Woost is more powerful than the cu= rrent mailing list system. I just showed what could be theoretically used.<= /div>

But let's try some messengers then. I vote for= Slack.





.karis.=C2=A0

On Wed, May 2, 2018, 15:08 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:=


2018-05-02 = 21:30 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>:
=20 =20 =20
How about using channel categories as threads?

Person A utters something and this message must have an a= bility to start a new thread.

Here is how it's= done in Slack:
Any message ca= n become a seed to a whole thread.
Channel categories are foretho= ught things. You can not know beforehand which topics will be raised or (si= c!) what a certain topic will shift into.

I= deally, we'd want a tree-like structure=C2=A0
1. like comment= ing system at jbov= laste.lojban.org or=C2=A0
2. like when one creates new thread= s by changing topics of email messages and other people replying to particu= lar messages. Not chaning the topic of en email message equals to continuin= g the thread, changing the topic means opening a new thread.

=


(we may even consider a hypergraph= system like htt= ps://github.com/woost/wust but it could be an overkill)
<= br>

=C2=A0
I don't know what Discord permission is needed to be able to create new #-categories but I suppose it is possible to give all the members this power somehow.


Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
Among self-hosted ones
Mattermost supports threads (Mattermost can be installed e.g. via https://github.com/mozilla/mattermost-heroku/).
Rocket.Chats do not support threads:=C2=A0https://gith= ub.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/issues/1112

Self-hosting software seems to me like an overkill.

Also note that Slack retains not more than 10,000 messages in its free of charge plan.


2018-04-30 8:33 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
I prefer threads.

~~~ Curtis W. Franks

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 01:25 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curti= s.w.franks@gmail.com>:
According to this (=C2=A0https://feedback.dis= cordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/15859336-threaded-= text-chat ), which is not even a month old, it seems to be impossible. I see multiple other requests for the same feature going back several years, so it seems that either it is impossible or a decent fraction of the prospective Discord community does not know how to do it (of course, my search is going to bias my results).

I should add that I did not read the entire page all the way - just a few comments in order to make sure that no-one immediately told the original poster that threading is indeed possible. If someone did so later on, though, then I definitely missed it.


We then need to decide if we need threads that is whether we shall discuss several topics in parallel.
If some of us do then we need to think of software that supports it. As I said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) software can do that, idk.

=C2=A0


~~~ Curtis



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