Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47726 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fIC8s-0005kx-UI; Mon, 14 May 2018 04:59:50 -0700 Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com ([209.85.218.43]:38418) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fIC8K-0005k6-30 for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 14 May 2018 04:59:19 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id k17-v6so10405475oih.5 for ; Mon, 14 May 2018 04:59:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XETXdISCY+5k3kLLZXjL1qosJ7WA7DMHMaCkGxfCUs4=; b=a4brq8eNC3wrhU99xGiMs03BzlCplUjEtZozGK6gsRBSFDnC0M8RTlJgjLWPkP9KO8 JlUowQ51vnJ/qSfluacF1JTKyIHsk0mNGWYQaRCFC1hJ/s9d8WtlM174M9MMMcx9nzLk mDziQdhpjhIg4fnlSGOrmysSAV+CpDzZRletVZUA9vInf1dnAOL63gaSSYJ3gUOVnNS8 DsqaSWTQHq1P/wwbDx7mJL2JwI4FfcCbBAIkxnOHZURrFEugGfo8BSDfXY63x/mveVQd OY3JvQPL0HdU2p/aPPqoO5my5zlhpL40olMCCuqW52mY4mB8WwVbuDG8QWiq0Q5AtiLD xWhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=XETXdISCY+5k3kLLZXjL1qosJ7WA7DMHMaCkGxfCUs4=; b=IBtCuEdXVJ8eJfATY56NaK93LpSFWyTMxtRIgyk+IsxgMUZvQFADiA6KRJuyPKRNhE jpdw/f9Ew+sHWPViaYq+tspZkW/AdlmJEBUpcA/m28QPkWiTCf0qeOW28LTAoJ8/6HG9 wHjuWFZrp25GvIQm2h4bgusEEre5KIGxzGpuFXjNYHm5f+9TjwC3kbp5GpzRLFPHMb2N OHRl0Sk8Nv1yWt11sOfHIsg5fEYeoz/L81//QqipSYMnl6di9zBsF9r1Tq+mAuTYFZq9 KRCVt78qLg54ml9nk4dysRdGsNym3/ek3S98C2ZgdTlpgCxufnmOkHE1IwKlxLRK5Lum XoBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPweWVjYiL6V4pXXT6volKYpakmvHubV8i+gPSbA14pZqqUb21Ewb YUsLIc6AJBay6WWOtZvXKYy9+MwcxMQtRA6L3g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpTcv9BMGMkZhc9gUiD4Edc5ZLh6Dc5O733gutS0NmeR/stvXClBIv2DOfaf6SHpoa8JfliGRKDzUBNhzjypyU= X-Received: by 2002:aca:60d5:: with SMTP id u204-v6mr6649668oib.156.1526299149191; Mon, 14 May 2018 04:59:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.41.161 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2018 04:58:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2433829.zphRfaENWI@mooncat> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 14:58:28 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7812826475654245646==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7812826475654245646== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009bcef3056c2936be" --0000000000009bcef3056c2936be Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the > next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information = in > past. > Silence. I wasn't clear, was I? If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory only. This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's servers each retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined this mailing list. If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backups anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush lower. In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually. > 2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, >> migrate between servers >> >> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services >> wrote: >> >>> What more could we do if we self-hosted? >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost: >>>> https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6p >>>> x693dm8kmy7yw >>>> >>>> If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionality >>>> is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers. >>>> >>>> But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not nice >>>> to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enough). Our = only >>>> concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation instructi= ons >>>> of Mattermost provide). >>>> >>>> >>>> 2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote: >>>>> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency= . >>>>> As for >>>>> > Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like i= t >>>>> has to >>>>> > be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passin= g >>>>> Linux >>>>> > familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the >>>>> moment I'm >>>>> > not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new >>>>> system for >>>>> > me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow >>>>> to act >>>>> > as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation= , >>>>> even >>>>> > if on another topic, before choosing this. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux boxes. I'm >>>>> behind a >>>>> satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable >>>>> for >>>>> anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu. >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> > --0000000000009bcef3056c2936be Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com>:
btw backups of mw.lojba= n.org is something we should discuss during the next meeting. Robin is = no Google and even Google lost users' information in past.

Silence. I wasn't clear, was I?
If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs = of our conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory o= nly.

This is unlike this mailing list where every = member + Robin's servers each retains a copy of all the messages since = the time they joined this mailing list.

If we inst= all Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backups anutime they= want then the probability of losing anything will be mush lower.

In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the lo= gs manually.




2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki = Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
Be more ready to downtimes of parti= cular services, deal with backups, migrate between servers=C2=A0

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:1= 8 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
What more could we do if we self-hosted?
.karis.=C2=A0

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki = Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, check out framate= am's version of mattermost:

If = you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionality is pres= ent then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers.

But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better = (it's not nice to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than= enough). Our only concern would be getting backups of logs (which installa= tion instructions of Mattermost provide).


2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <= span dir=3D"ltr"><phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote:
> I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency. A= s for
> Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like it h= as to
> be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passing L= inux
> familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the m= oment I'm
> not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new system = for
> me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow= to act
> as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation, e= ven
> if on another topic, before choosing this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux bo= xes. I'm behind a
satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable for=
anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu.

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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