Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42876 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fJCWc-0002iD-6F; Wed, 16 May 2018 23:36:30 -0700 Received: from mail-yb0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]:45067) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fJCW5-0002hA-AZ for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 16 May 2018 23:35:58 -0700 Received: by mail-yb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r13-v6so1102851ybm.12 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 23:35:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7EkrLCZWu9JeSkkfpEA8OzMJH9uU7Tzo2IsbelSfppk=; b=AEeb/X7toHOW6dxXKWTI2hb8bk+iBYJ+7FauYpQBp4H4X5uPAgAmVPZ2SglDsYnTiC ZHVbcYSOuCIM70iJhbXdUOODW4DaVXHyOdfkXBT4URIqmUx1TNDpOEExAdVEZ+CORfg/ WTgXE1uRJfCiolKu2SdOM+6xC2xyKhQHUrVXg2j1GD/3v0K+tOsXtMTlQEst7JWCjJ5m CcU+RwOsCflMH0OTCrvb4fMwObQzIJcLy3+se2lU7mo6m7w5Yh8tGbOlnQodLxBsYbqS 4qTqBuipSvuztShbR8CKLZb+TKpwMe72DVPPMJFOKr7M9uKo0yroxKwYrinSmIaunZ8F j+xA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=7EkrLCZWu9JeSkkfpEA8OzMJH9uU7Tzo2IsbelSfppk=; b=TQrvDISXqGU4Ou5U6/gluTiM1AnZF6PgjKeTmx0ohP2rdYGXDJ+3SyF1KgXu2Gbgeb lSZY5zdGNPWMPuPA6ZVl2EXdsop1QKT3vF4f3tfANrK8lYEZ+XbgoRNfITxvkKkR1Iy2 W+PAGPJv4vn6nFBcr5K/PAa4Jdrh6pPyImi1hUDIb219wGcThuZtAu/+AfUwcLVxhTL2 bLOxnjGIvSa2J17fc0Xn7l3fdj/dZrgYUtccUesri1nEASc7HQ15dhBvTiCzpSOMGf/F 6eDsfZhH+7mYQcfa3jhPSSyQr4v3eZotR3/GxfZJEfnHNteP1lZAjvX7zGP5qCSnt/1L Dcdw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPweyvg1qib5eGqkC/Dr19VACWd4wGuswLMLk5ZUXTIyOzWBZZ8Cg /nBLR/UepUyFa1HZuqUQrVcYSZdLglgRLSatoZs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrRF/iScakGxMAhViuIxNUiU61pJkW2uE5we8cudjaCdv8amTBGac/a2MHKBAJCoaCX1DuuuV2PhlsjqftreYM= X-Received: by 2002:a25:690f:: with SMTP id e15-v6mr1999948ybc.431.1526538950345; Wed, 16 May 2018 23:35:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2433829.zphRfaENWI@mooncat> In-Reply-To: From: Curtis Franks Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 02:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9164275756099571163==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============9164275756099571163== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000df0740056c610b36" --000000000000df0740056c610b36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That seems good to me. Should I or the rest of us be doing anything? Add backing up mw.lojban.org to the topics for discussion, please, someone. ~~~ Curtis W. Franks On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 Creative Care Services wrote: > Gleki, > > Would you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree that this > Mattermost offers everything we can find in the other packages we have > discussed we should need and none of the others have this ability for fre= e. > For anyone who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provides the > ability to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discussion > which self threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Because th= e > threading is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you are > adding to our commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new > people into. I am still working my way through the help files, but after > (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the manageme= nt > of it outside of the ties to our specific server and its management. > > If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, > and at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be se= t > up quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or > maybe start there and switch over at some point. > > .karis. > > On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" > wrote: > > > > 2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the >> next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information= in >> past. >> > > Silence. I wasn't clear, was I? > > If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our > conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory only. > > This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's servers eac= h > retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined this mailin= g > list. > > If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backups > anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush > lower. > > In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually. > > > > >> 2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : >> >>> Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, >>> migrate between servers >>> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What more could we do if we self-hosted? >>>> >>>> .karis. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost: >>>>> >>>>> https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8= kmy7yw >>>>> >>>>> If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionalit= y >>>>> is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers. >>>>> >>>>> But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not nice >>>>> to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enough). Our= only >>>>> concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation instruct= ions >>>>> of Mattermost provide). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote: >>>>>> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of >>>>>> permanency. As for >>>>>> > Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like >>>>>> it has to >>>>>> > be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a >>>>>> passing Linux >>>>>> > familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the >>>>>> moment I'm >>>>>> > not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new >>>>>> system for >>>>>> > me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow >>>>>> to act >>>>>> > as administrator for us. I would want to see a working >>>>>> conversation, even >>>>>> > if on another topic, before choosing this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux boxes. I'm >>>>>> behind a >>>>>> satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable >>>>>> for >>>>>> anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> -- >>>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --000000000000df0740056c610b36 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That seems good to me. Should I or the rest of us be= doing anything?

Add backing u= p mw.lojban.org to the topics for disc= ussion, please, someone.

~~~ Curtis W. Franks


On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 Creative Care Services <<= a href=3D"mailto:comcaresvcs@gmail.com">comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote= :
Gleki,

Would you be willing to see about ser= ver space for us? I agree that this Mattermost offers everything we can fin= d in the other packages we have discussed we should need and none of the ot= hers have this ability for free. For anyone who hasn't followed the con= versation, Mattermost provides the ability to have multiple channel categor= ies, if we want, and a discussion which self threads in a package that is g= enerally easy to use. Because the threading is as simple as selecting an ic= on beside the comment you are adding to our commenting on it should be stra= ightforward to bring new people into. I am still working my way through the= help files, but after (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comforta= ble with all the management of it outside of the ties to our specific serve= r and its management.

If= no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, and a= t that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be set up qu= ickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or maybe sta= rt there and switch over at some point.

.karis.=C2=A0

On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" &= lt;gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
btw backups of mw.lojba= n.org is something we should discuss during the next meeting. Robin is = no Google and even Google lost users' information in past.

Silence. I wasn't clear, was I?

If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with= logs of our conversations then we will be able to restore them from our me= mory only.

This is unlike this mailing list where = every member + Robin's servers each retains a copy of all the messages = since the time they joined this mailing list.

If w= e install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backups anutim= e they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush lower.

In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy = the logs manually.
<= br>



2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:<= br>
Be more ready to downti= mes of particular services, deal with backups, migrate between servers=C2= =A0

On Wed= , May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@g= mail.com> wrote:
What more could we do if we self-hosted?

=
.karis.=C2=A0

<= div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, check out framateam&#= 39;s version of mattermost:

=
If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionality= is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers.

But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much= better (it's not nice to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan m= ore than enough). Our only concern would be getting backups of logs (which = installation instructions of Mattermost provide).


2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre= Abbat <phma@bezitopo.= org>:
On= Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote:
> I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency. A= s for
> Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like it h= as to
> be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passing L= inux
> familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the m= oment I'm
> not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new system = for
> me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow= to act
> as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation, e= ven
> if on another topic, before choosing this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux bo= xes. I'm behind a
satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable for=
anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu.

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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