Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43434 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fJDE6-0004Sf-4f; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:21:26 -0700 Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:42089) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fJDDa-0004QF-E0 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:20:55 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id t27-v6so3095279oij.9 for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IMUE/lRUig6kjAW7MHadLPe0CpjHfVsPNGmGYVUBTcE=; b=n458/38PWmzMTqmOpJ7yagTQEBI+JtJhYEtC7DlUw0r/OsqZmIHebVefYGJeTfaPi9 1twnrYrW2ggbfGMMcvn5lgJCVGETQTD4Qk7YEio17e/N5KAbzma6rT2K9wZdpfYUD+YJ O/TXCWyTsGPciNdUBu2rqAcdmetfFEZkWXO9EjMRwKaECl+onPdOvYB3+TGckqeTtOyk 8100FnBK4k+5FA/vb3xdYLQMqFgOIgvO00iW2WtVNMJYDtWcwb31IqbBosnoIt2/NRum dnrkTbrdWt17g9TdCi+rReKEI79rjz4yKdtJgXVoi2PhTdj2/jXoXWjhUvX0/pi4ls7g 4APw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IMUE/lRUig6kjAW7MHadLPe0CpjHfVsPNGmGYVUBTcE=; b=c4GkVRWZ3MahCZlGhs34tcmIBVjDo7pIn88dQPhGoCl/ZzBGZzxfleN9sk0aFiAUNC dopr31uaLCuvT4xWAoSyPI5mTOahwa6aTedJ6I810xzXqtNskVmjr6FUosJKngOWVpS6 tAg7xR2ZhOG9itctPUC5wfCC/J5r+aaRQLD7zJ40a0vOZ90UAXAJiNxNIOo0xrCGXr11 /rLX5sjkwe7yZxCFMxynioDd58+PqiG/ya+Vcy8TDrIHJIyIkAw14b6LBHxATBOLh34u tXSL1OO8pwGrg3Wpo/O4jIld+ArSQ8+TGWpWfI4THJo/dEa0c13JVzKNqvR3bjxBdUvT HWRA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPweFCKEJzUvI+azSzQqN8+pHdqVBcNbOURW35ulx+exVP7KNHGBT 8o4gVDtpfLAGg9Vzj66LI68THuuTZDApXXbjHA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZoiexAB/m8B8TEald3pgMx9OtneOCCusgpkHpWpM3eCrRuE5rT2elLGBCrYaLk70yjOPHyqa2KtnUWPflcXJyE= X-Received: by 2002:aca:e70c:: with SMTP id e12-v6mr2743442oih.312.1526541647413; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:20:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.41.161 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:20:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2433829.zphRfaENWI@mooncat> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:20:07 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6816495169813619565==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6816495169813619565== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a107c1056c61ac8b" --000000000000a107c1056c61ac8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2018-05-17 9:35 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > That seems good to me. Should I or the rest of us be doing anything? > If you can install Mattermost on your servers and create a password-protected link to backups of the logs of discussions then it'd be wonderful. > Add backing up mw.lojban.org to the topics for discussion, please, > someone. > I don't understand. Backing up the whole content of mw.lojban.org in case some trouble happens to Robin's servers? That's necessary, yes (although not relevant to the current discussion). > > ~~~ Curtis W. Franks > > > On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 Creative Care Services > wrote: > >> Gleki, >> >> Would you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree that this >> Mattermost offers everything we can find in the other packages we have >> discussed we should need and none of the others have this ability for fr= ee. >> For anyone who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provides the >> ability to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discussio= n >> which self threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Because t= he >> threading is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you are >> adding to our commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new >> people into. I am still working my way through the help files, but after >> (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the managem= ent >> of it outside of the ties to our specific server and its management. >> >> If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, >> and at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be s= et >> up quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or >> maybe start there and switch over at some point. >> >> .karis. >> >> On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" >> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : >> >>> btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the >>> next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' informatio= n in >>> past. >>> >> >> Silence. I wasn't clear, was I? >> >> If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our >> conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory only. >> >> This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's servers >> each retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined this >> mailing list. >> >> If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backups >> anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush >> lower. >> >> In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually. >> >> >> >> >>> 2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : >>> >>>> Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, >>>> migrate between servers >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services < >>>> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What more could we do if we self-hosted? >>>>> >>>>> .karis. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost: >>>>>> https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D >>>>>> 17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary >>>>>> functionality is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost o= n his >>>>>> servers. >>>>>> >>>>>> But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not nic= e >>>>>> to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enough). Ou= r only >>>>>> concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation instruc= tions >>>>>> of Mattermost provide). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote: >>>>>>> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of >>>>>>> permanency. As for >>>>>>> > Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like >>>>>>> it has to >>>>>>> > be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a >>>>>>> passing Linux >>>>>>> > familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the >>>>>>> moment I'm >>>>>>> > not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new >>>>>>> system for >>>>>>> > me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avo= w >>>>>>> to act >>>>>>> > as administrator for us. I would want to see a working >>>>>>> conversation, even >>>>>>> > if on another topic, before choosing this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux boxes. I'= m >>>>>>> behind a >>>>>>> satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --000000000000a107c1056c61ac8b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2018-05-17 9:35 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:
=
That seems good to me. Should I or the rest of us be doing anything?

If you can install Mattermost on= your servers and create a password-protected link to backups of the logs o= f discussions then it'd be wonderful.


<= br>
Add backing up mw.lojban.org to the topics for discussion, please, s= omeone.

I don't u= nderstand. Backing up the whole content of mw.lojban.org in case some trouble happens to Robin's servers? Tha= t's necessary, yes (although not relevant to the current discussion).

=C2=A0

~~~ Curtis W. Franks

<= br>
On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 = Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
Gleki,

Would you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree th= at this Mattermost offers everything we can find in the other packages we h= ave discussed we should need and none of the others have this ability for f= ree. For anyone who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provid= es the ability to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discu= ssion which self threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Becaus= e the threading is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you ar= e adding to our commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new peo= ple into. I am still working my way through the help files, but after (or e= ven during) this meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the management = of it outside of the ties to our specific server and its management.
<= div dir=3D"auto">
If no one objects is like to s= ee what gleki can learn in the next week, and at that point we what is poss= ible and how quickly. If it cannot be set up quickly we will use Discord fo= r this meeting so we can get going or maybe start there and switch over at = some point.

.karis.=C2= =A0

On= May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.nam= e@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxok= una <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= >:
btw backups= of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the nex= t meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information i= n past.

Silence. I wasn't c= lear, was I?

If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses = all its servers with logs of our conversations then we will be able to rest= ore them from our memory only.

This is unlike this= mailing list where every member + Robin's servers each retains a copy = of all the messages since the time they joined this mailing list.

If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to dow= nload backups anutime they want then the probability of losing anything wil= l be mush lower.

In case of Framateam we can of co= urse regularly copy the logs manually.



=

2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna= <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= ;:
Be more ready= to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, migrate between se= rvers=C2=A0
On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Cr= eative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:=
What more could = we do if we self-hosted?

.kari= s.=C2=A0

On Tue,= May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.= is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, check out framateam's version of matterm= ost:

If you = are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionality is present = then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers.
But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it&= #39;s not nice to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than eno= ugh). Our only concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation= instructions of Mattermost provide).

<= br>
2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org><= /span>:
On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote:<= br> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency. A= s for
> Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like it h= as to
> be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passing L= inux
> familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the m= oment I'm
> not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new system = for
> me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow= to act
> as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation, e= ven
> if on another topic, before choosing this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux bo= xes. I'm behind a
satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable for=
anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu.

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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