Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43126 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fLjrA-0006l4-RI; Wed, 23 May 2018 23:36:12 -0700 Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com ([209.85.218.49]:45027) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fLjqe-0006fo-0j for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 23:35:41 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id e80-v6so460335oig.11 for ; Wed, 23 May 2018 23:35:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KHGMdiLAWeqpCQh1kMTCLzlG77dBoTN+XI2hRhr4Ifs=; b=fAYY4r/Wi9PORrV8SDd83wRAbnHHq6XiiW0h4Iry/kTAXINpKoFiCYQyo57Mnd3AMD nlFfl+oVyIS+5UKsTV4MqohB1DgouUkR7Ufoxns9lty3bjau6fy+HVHj30pmxGrTm5bc jhQnXbZdBnxAmiXu5IsP6Q7bald5IGUIrz748xik6FfSHCa9nL7TI17c/+mLJ3PAOnt+ On0cn6Hp3uieOhEne+xshBu9w2ciMOy6TB1oSit0NMkPem4C/3WEOeFrI5tDStTYpdoP aMsUY+1Zo1RxIfe5C75zf+ZpK9c2BPPs7D3Lh/8TD+BHeYxP6iTqa73cXr7sSUxfcmN7 T3wQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=KHGMdiLAWeqpCQh1kMTCLzlG77dBoTN+XI2hRhr4Ifs=; b=BkshDG8fH/NxEnzAfkrRitvMbDlK0nT3uh7tSmf4eDFjKMkeQSUy1E7ysEqTEGtaXX qSvwku9ByNiJ+YkWU1NYpEy0UvsS9iUHx6o6y1IosMyfy1O2gGLHmIXHak4OXHodM2S7 9Li2sfprpxOzhHbLwTlSL9H+FI/OQoEZZkVJee2asMYG5UzxrY/8fCrIFXLihD/+LmdP GKkjDYXby9Cn5nXpQwTLTz96G5y9Cl6RUmdplK/jUfdcmst3JY3+P6tCrYYzTQE4lLJ4 Mog9RGS2xf9CxACiegMH8zjWMCHsqdMw/g/j11uAYmNIG9RNZfPaT1Fthb4hHHp1/a6v nSEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwfDhqKyn9eBgAAhRKZ83UX9401WXfqKyhszcyLZTTT2+btDhaKA 4gngwEdrw7fiqZKstaQhh4KKazw63vakX8yGJ8zW X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZprHGYpbZ/CEVCbOXqchtDYDxTOwUz/3xPKMzAqAtR3466JeYrHrokvZEEOp2Jpm5W/mmMvauPPLUk/5wzd8dc= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4e43:: with SMTP id c64-v6mr3054305oib.343.1527143733049; Wed, 23 May 2018 23:35:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac9:29a1:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2018 23:34:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2433829.zphRfaENWI@mooncat> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 09:34:52 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9206829341292702881==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============9206829341292702881== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bac0fb056ceddb36" --000000000000bac0fb056ceddb36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The hypergraph thing got a demo. https://staging.woost.space/ By creating nodes and children to them you can see a visual hypergraph of your notes appearing. Please, register and see what we could steal from there (in terms of features) in regard to 1. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Elephant 2. future meetings format 2018-05-17 10:20 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2018-05-17 9:35 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > >> That seems good to me. Should I or the rest of us be doing anything? >> > > If you can install Mattermost on your servers and create a > password-protected link to backups of the logs of discussions then it'd b= e > wonderful. > > > >> Add backing up mw.lojban.org to the topics for discussion, please, >> someone. >> > > I don't understand. Backing up the whole content of mw.lojban.org in case > some trouble happens to Robin's servers? That's necessary, yes (although > not relevant to the current discussion). > > > >> >> ~~~ Curtis W. Franks >> >> >> On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 Creative Care Services >> wrote: >> >>> Gleki, >>> >>> Would you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree that thi= s >>> Mattermost offers everything we can find in the other packages we have >>> discussed we should need and none of the others have this ability for f= ree. >>> For anyone who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provides th= e >>> ability to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discussi= on >>> which self threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Because = the >>> threading is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you are >>> adding to our commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new >>> people into. I am still working my way through the help files, but afte= r >>> (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the manage= ment >>> of it outside of the ties to our specific server and its management. >>> >>> If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, >>> and at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be = set >>> up quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or >>> maybe start there and switch over at some point. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : >>> >>>> btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the >>>> next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' informati= on in >>>> past. >>>> >>> >>> Silence. I wasn't clear, was I? >>> >>> If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our >>> conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory only= . >>> >>> This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's servers >>> each retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined this >>> mailing list. >>> >>> If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backup= s >>> anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush >>> lower. >>> >>> In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna = : >>>> >>>>> Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, >>>>> migrate between servers >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services < >>>>> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What more could we do if we self-hosted? >>>>>> >>>>>> .karis. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost: >>>>>>> https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6p >>>>>>> x693dm8kmy7yw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary >>>>>>> functionality is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost = on his >>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not >>>>>>> nice to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enoug= h). Our >>>>>>> only concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation >>>>>>> instructions of Mattermost provide). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote: >>>>>>>> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of >>>>>>>> permanency. As for >>>>>>>> > Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks lik= e >>>>>>>> it has to >>>>>>>> > be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a >>>>>>>> passing Linux >>>>>>>> > familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the >>>>>>>> moment I'm >>>>>>>> > not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new >>>>>>>> system for >>>>>>>> > me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and >>>>>>>> avow to act >>>>>>>> > as administrator for us. I would want to see a working >>>>>>>> conversation, even >>>>>>>> > if on another topic, before choosing this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux boxes. >>>>>>>> I'm behind a >>>>>>>> satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitabl= e >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>>>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > --000000000000bac0fb056ceddb36 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The hypergraph thing got a demo.

https://staging.woost.space/

By creating nodes and children to them you can see a = visual hypergraph of your notes appearing.

Please,= register and see what we could steal from there (in terms of features) in = regard to=C2=A0
2. future meetin= gs format




2018-05-17 10:20 GMT+03:00= Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:


2018-05-17 9:35 GMT+03:00= Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
That seems good to me. Sho= uld I or the rest of us be doing anything?
If you can install Mattermost on your servers and create= a password-protected link to backups of the logs of discussions then it= 9;d be wonderful.



Add backing up mw.lojban.org to the topics for discussion, please, someone= .

I don't = understand. Backing up the whole content of mw.lojban.org in case some trouble happens to Robin= 's servers? That's necessary, yes (although not relevant to the cur= rent discussion).

=C2=A0
=
~~~ Curtis W. Fran= ks


On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 Creative Ca= re Services <= comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
Gleki,

Wou= ld you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree that this Matte= rmost offers everything we can find in the other packages we have discussed= we should need and none of the others have this ability for free. For anyo= ne who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provides the abilit= y to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discussion which s= elf threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Because the threadi= ng is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you are adding to o= ur commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new people into. I a= m still working my way through the help files, but after (or even during) t= his meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the management of it outside= of the ties to our specific server and its management.

If no one objects is like to see what gleki= can learn in the next week, and at that point we what is possible and how = quickly. If it cannot be set up quickly we will use Discord for this meetin= g so we can get going or maybe start there and switch over at some point.

.karis.=C2=A0
=

On May 14, 2018 0= 7:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= > wrote:


2018-05-0= 9 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <g= leki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we sh= ould discuss during the next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lo= st users' information in past.

<= div>Silence. I wasn't clear, was I?

If e.g. Fr= amateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our conversations t= hen we will be able to restore them from our memory only.

This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's s= ervers each retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined t= his mailing list.

If we install Mattermost ourselv= es and allow members to download backups anutime they want then the probabi= lity of losing anything will be mush lower.

In cas= e of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually.




2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03= :00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.nam= e@gmail.com>:
Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, = migrate between servers=C2=A0

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care = Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
What more could we do if we = self-hosted?

.karis.=C2=A0

On Tue, May 8, 2018= , 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:
Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost:
https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6= by6px693dm8kmy7yw

If you are happy wi= th it, if you think all the necessary functionality is present then I'l= l ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers.

= But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not ni= ce to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enough). Our on= ly concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation instruction= s of Mattermost provide).


2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Servic= es wrote:
> I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency. A= s for
> Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like it h= as to
> be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passing L= inux
> familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the m= oment I'm
> not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new system = for
> me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow= to act
> as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation, e= ven
> if on another topic, before choosing this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux bo= xes. I'm behind a
satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable for=
anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu.
<= br> Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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