Return-path: Envelope-to: lojban@lojban.org Delivery-date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:06:14 -0800 Received: from mail-pf1-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180]:49321) by 64c5cd764d82 with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1reojJ-000Ukq-0D; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:06:12 -0800 Received: by mail-pf1-f180.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-6e537d0ba06so831269b3a.2; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:06:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709006768; x=1709611568; darn=lojban.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MmH9k6XrFBgeeZ534SRfDygPegpUG0s0y3oHGH48kGA=; b=AEZJ1TG+iR7zGH4Pxb3yEDh7YNL8bc3NXmV466YpjnHsTI6uzFloJuESskqdldNFS0 QFCD1iKKQXIiuXhZp12LE6Ye7Xwox3BeS4yIuHX6PsujipCexBFjor0MwsuaAFo12RP4 QkR0Co+t5Cggg53JZEBT824Eq0L1ZRNfjTGy4+Xu2VPjhVqGb+W2hcgPEUcUDwalZF1f okAlYQSigxvKJb/0BxeEp5NYoBMe6jHUpUnl1OaXSWhTnUb3qoKlCeLyHusK4Ebp2S4K KvA6Xs6euIphVGCBOZ3jSK6tfeBk3hcZrReWA56BasNsnR1YdnMpFwMAcGjTNZ/ULc2b GoXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709006768; x=1709611568; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=MmH9k6XrFBgeeZ534SRfDygPegpUG0s0y3oHGH48kGA=; b=M/b+6iTEQMhLxmEDMKbVucB3xp0hPnuuoAtWmEA0PIedgUgdX6yVVbStNM2DiE+K8t kYQxSG7oXT0DUyzmB7b+Ix+O8HMSyDQfZdZRhI/L+uLwLWat7qVcZeDUK9owLOHxd2Fq VW7bLG4580L7ugWZ3SLFJxm2f4GJQBF/O/ZpTqtVYuUVFwafrBQmQgTj153YfAzszk4D vG6/lgL8VtiFRwP2O4xShJoLlszkwQJCCxTzsRlgSXT/r4ZSJDd46IKO+uB8OAXs2iUd CSZ04SCxepTLl4taBcM24WkGPi94/K2YQUHlM0gA5ewaMMPLmWsX0IwoFmRBOZyVEyjX lWRg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUvCUIeb4qJ1mBo8fxWGYj3SIE8RL2+ORy7/wAsYdkZERtZ7XH4A0yU/Wn0OTuqGqpn5SdqDTjFffochSz9nrgwNcUy3z8kJDMblgZLZn6/zvDU3l312PnSkqfvUWq7b+rA3rFfRbftb1rV X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwJsvgGaeC0HT9J8OgDFhVKj0vyn746Zw+V+jYS/qNIWgJ7WopC 7qWPFO2s/WyDXpeYLMkOwwCBXHE0k6wrGr+0fjUI2zf2FWpKjO3xC4+L/gBs1OUx3Gv19jrB4E5 oD8esLYy0sP91tkfkcOOZ+0B62eeT/EI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHXn5v82NVHxbeyKyZkgOoaPbhAuldhOInoSvFQ9VQe10zjk8DJccxzxOJRj8CcSmyEj54rxNxVejPdCgUhxhg= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:605:0:b0:dcb:bff0:72b with SMTP id d5-20020a5b0605000000b00dcbbff0072bmr970082ybq.31.1709006271598; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 19:57:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: robinleepowell@gmail.com From: Robin Powell Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 19:57:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CLL publishing seems to be broken To: Robin Lee Powell Cc: Riley Lynch , Karen Stein , Bob LeChevalier , llg-board@lojban.org, lojban@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bcd6f4061255079d" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_bar: -- --000000000000bcd6f4061255079d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Uh the email attachments came through inline, sorry about that; just scroll waaaaay down, there are 4 of them in total. On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:55=E2=80=AFPM Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > OK, I found enough info. > > Based on emails attached and what I wrote at > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaeh= RaAJWw/edit > , it looks like KDP is used for Amazon (both print and ebook) and > Ingram Spark is used for every other book seller. I no longer > recall why I did it that way; possible so "look inside this book" > would work. > > It also looks like this has been broken since 2021; an email thread > is attached in which no-one followed up after my last reply, as far > as I can tell. > > If someone gets me the current treasurer@lojabn.org password for > Amazon, I can probably get this working. > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 07:13:36PM -0800, Robin Powell wrote: > > Furthermore, I no longer appear to have a working LLG login for KDP, so= I > > can't actually check directly myself. FWIW, though, KDP *does* support > > physical books; see for example > > https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/GKYZRXFBZH2LDXAK > > > > But it's possible that I'm misremembering and we did go to Spark; I > > honestly don't know. > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:11=E2=80=AFPM Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > Ugh, I'm sorry I can't be more help; it's been *so long* since I set > > > this up. I'm trying to check through old emails. > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:40:05AM -0800, Riley Lynch wrote: > > > > I could not find anything within Amazon KDP that related to print > > > > publishing. Did I not look hard enough? > > > > > > > > The reports from Ingram seemed to indicate that they are somehow > still in > > > > use for both print and electronic publishing, with sales for both > > > reported > > > > within the last month. > > > > > > > > I will continue to try to get my head around how everything is > > > configured. > > > > I will document what I learn. I'd appreciate any help along the way= . > > > > > > > > Regarding the Amazon KDP warnings, I have had difficulty placating > those > > > > messages in the past, but perhaps I can figure out what the issue i= s > > > along > > > > with resolving the more urgent issue of restoring the availability > of the > > > > print edition of CLL. > > > > > > > > --Riley > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:50=E2=80=AFAM Robin Lee Powell < > > > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's been a really long time, but I *believe* We don't use Ingram > > > > > Spark anymore, we use Amazon KDP; hapefully that's enough to get > you > > > > > back on track? > > > > > > > > > > Side comment: I keep seeing KDP emails to treasurer@lojban.org > about > > > > > how they can't pay us anymore for sales in some markets; hopefull= y > > > > > someone did something with those? If not, maybe that's relevant? > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 03:11:27AM -0500, Riley Lynch wrote: > > > > > > I see the same thing on Amazon that Robin notes: CLL is > available in > > > > > Kindle > > > > > > format, but only used copies are available in paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Lojban-Language-John-Cowan/dp/0966028325 > > > > > > > > > > > > However, when I log into Ingram Spark, it seems to indicate tha= t > both > > > > > > e-books and print books are still being sold. > > > > > > > > > > > > [image: Screenshot 2024-02-26 at 2.57.30 AM.png] > > > > > > I am unable to find a record of these sales via Amazon, however= . > > > > > > > > > > > > I never had a very good understanding of how publishing for CLL > > > works, > > > > > and > > > > > > I did not track all of the implications of the migration from > > > Lightning > > > > > > Source to Ingram Spark. That said, I'd be glad to learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin, if you have time to walk me through your impressions of > how > > > things > > > > > > ought to work, I'd be glad to get on a call with you. I am on > West > > > Coast > > > > > > time for the next week. Async is also fine, if that's easier fo= r > > > you. I > > > > > > would also be glad to continue to investigate this on my own, > but I'm > > > > > sure > > > > > > I would benefit from your context. > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally: In order to log into both Amazon and Ingram, I ha= d > to > > > reset > > > > > > passwords for both. I want to make sure that we can both > continue to > > > > > access > > > > > > these sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Riley > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 4:13=E2=80=AFPM Riley Lynch > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can also look into this tomorrow.. Thank you for calling it > out, > > > > > Robin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Karen Stein < > comcaresvcs@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> That is weird. When I just checked on Amazon, following > Robin's > > > link, > > > > > > >> several new copies were available, but we still weren't > listed as > > > a > > > > > > >> possible source. Who has handled our Amazon account in the > past? > > > If > > > > > that's > > > > > > >> you, please check this out and get back to all of us with > what you > > > > > find. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > >> karis > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 00:21 Robin Lee Powell > > > > > >> digitalkingdom.org=3Drlpowell@lojban.org> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Looking at > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Lojban-Language-John-Cowan/dp/0966028325/ > > > > > > >>> , I don't see *us* selling it anywhere in hardcover, only > used > > > > > > >>> copies. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Robin Lee Powell > To: Robert LeChevalier , mukti > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:00:18 -0800 > Subject: Re: CLL ordering problems > > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 02:55:25PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 12:59:16PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > > I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues. > > > > > > I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL > > > as a gift. amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is > > > available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazon > > > has no idea. Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand > > > and they had no idea what was wrong or when the book would be > > > available. Do we have some kind of annual contract that needs to > > > be renewed or something? If someone knows something and can > > > check, it would be appreciated. > > > > OK, so, there's a bunch of things going on here. > > > > I was keeping all this information in > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaeh= RaAJWw/edit > > , but it seems to have fallen out of date somewhat, and also it > > looks like it was flat-out wrong in some places. > > > > 1. The account that is probably directly relevant here is our > > Kindle Direct Publishing account, but when I try to log in there > > with the info in the quarterly books document, I get: > > > > Enter the One Time Password (OTP) that has been sent to a phone > number ending in 557 > > > > , which as far as I know is not a phone number that is mine or > > has ever been mine. This is for our Amazon account, for > treasurer@lojban.org > > > > So whoever has that phone needs to investigate that. > > > > 2. We appear to have an old, unused Lightning Source account; in > > the meantime we got moved to Ingram Spark. I have updated the > > document to try to reflect this, but the the lightning source > > account with account number 6020176 is, as far as I can tell, no > > longer relevant at all. > > > > According to Ingram Spark, everything is fine: > > > > ISBN/SKU Format Title Contributor Submit Date > Status > > 9780966028331 EPUB The Complete Lojban Language Cowan, > John W 6/14/2016 Available for Printing/Download > > 9780966028324 Case Laminate The Complete Lojban Language > Cowan, John W 1/8/2015 Available for Printing/Download > > 9780966028317 Perfect Bound What Is Lojban? Nicholas, Nick > 5/30/2003 Available for Printing/Download > > > > But for Amazon, only the KDP account above is relevant. > > To add to this: > > a. Literally any major book seller *except* Amazon should be > working. > > b. Ingram Spark has filled orders within the last month. > > > > There is an email in the > > > lojban@lojban.org account from Feiad Mohammed , > > > who made the query. If you answer him directly please copy me so > > > I know it has been dealt with. > > > > > > BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source? Or only > > > from a book retailer? > > > > We can order direct from Ingram Spark (which is what our Lightning > > Source account is called now, basically), but they can't; see > > > > https://www.ingramspark.com/blog/3-ways-to-order-books > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Robin Lee Powell > To: Robert LeChevalier > Cc: mukti > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 14:55:25 -0800 > Subject: Re: CLL ordering problems > > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 12:59:16PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues. > > > > I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL > > as a gift. amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is > > available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazon > > has no idea. Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand > > and they had no idea what was wrong or when the book would be > > available. Do we have some kind of annual contract that needs to > > be renewed or something? If someone knows something and can > > check, it would be appreciated. > > OK, so, there's a bunch of things going on here. > > I was keeping all this information in > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaeh= RaAJWw/edit > , but it seems to have fallen out of date somewhat, and also it > looks like it was flat-out wrong in some places. > > 1. The account that is probably directly relevant here is our > Kindle Direct Publishing account, but when I try to log in there > with the info in the quarterly books document, I get: > > Enter the One Time Password (OTP) that has been sent to a phone > number ending in 557 > > , which as far as I know is not a phone number that is mine or > has ever been mine. This is for our Amazon account, for > treasurer@lojban.org > > So whoever has that phone needs to investigate that. > > 2. We appear to have an old, unused Lightning Source account; in > the meantime we got moved to Ingram Spark. I have updated the > document to try to reflect this, but the the lightning source > account with account number 6020176 is, as far as I can tell, no > longer relevant at all. > > According to Ingram Spark, everything is fine: > > ISBN/SKU Format Title Contributor Submit Date > Status > 9780966028331 EPUB The Complete Lojban Language Cowan, > John W 6/14/2016 Available for Printing/Download > 9780966028324 Case Laminate The Complete Lojban Language > Cowan, John W 1/8/2015 Available for Printing/Download > 9780966028317 Perfect Bound What Is Lojban? Nicholas, Nick > 5/30/2003 Available for Printing/Download > > But for Amazon, only the KDP account above is relevant. > > > There is an email in the > > lojban@lojban.org account from Feiad Mohammed , > > who made the query. If you answer him directly please copy me so > > I know it has been dealt with. > > > > BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source? Or only > > from a book retailer? > > We can order direct from Ingram Spark (which is what our Lightning > Source account is called now, basically), but they can't; see > > https://www.ingramspark.com/blog/3-ways-to-order-books > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Robert LeChevalier > To: Robin Powell , mukti > > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:59:16 -0500 > Subject: CLL ordering problems > I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues. > > I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL as a > gift. amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is available, > but he waited several days with no response, and amazon has no idea. > Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand and they had no > idea what was wrong or when the book would be available. Do we have > some kind of annual contract that needs to be renewed or something? If > someone knows something and can check, it would be appreciated. There > is an email in the lojban@lojban.org account from Feiad Mohammed > , who made the query. If you answer him directly > please copy me so I know it has been dealt with. > > BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source? Or only from a book > retailer? > > lojbab > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Robin Lee Powell > To: lojban@googlegroups.com, llg-members@lojban.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:41:53 -0700 > Subject: [lojban] CLL v1.1 is (probably) *DONE* > > So our EPUB didn't pass any of the automated tests that Ingram Spark > specified (oops). This led to major revisions in terms of the > markup details of all versions except the PDF, but especially the > EPUB. We now roll our own EPUB by hand (it turns out it's just a > specially formatted zip file with XHTML in it, so we just use the > section-chunked version of the CLL plus a bunch of post-processing). > > There were also some bug fixes to the content; see > http://lojban.org/publications/cll/CHANGELOG for complete details of > the latest revision. Props to 101001000100001 for the great catch > (we had things like "Example 5.5" in a few places that were raw text > instead of links, and hence completely wrong). > > Oh, also, I added a changelog. :D > > I have just uploaded the EPUB and print versions 2016-06-12 to > Ingram Spark. > > Assuming that all goes well with those uploads (and in particular > that they show up on Amazon as two versions of the same book, a > point abuot which I am extremely skeptical), I'm pretty much done > with CLL work. > > Like, "hey Robin you're the one most familiar with the process can > you roll new versions?" is fine, but I've lost literally hundreds > (probably over a thousand) hours of my life to this thing, so now > that it's up and running I'm basically out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > --000000000000bcd6f4061255079d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Uh the email attachments came through inline, sorry about = that; just scroll waaaaay down, there are 4 of them in total.

On Mon, Feb 26= , 2024 at 7:55=E2=80=AFPM Robin Lee Powell <SRS0=3D96e4=3Dke=3Ddigitalkingdom.org=3Drlpowell@lojban.org> wrote:

OK, I found enough info.

Based on emails attached and what I wrote at
https://docs.goo= gle.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaehRaAJWw/edit , it looks like KDP is used for Amazon (both print and ebook) and
Ingram Spark is used for every other book seller.=C2=A0 I no longer
recall why I did it that way; possible so "look inside this book"=
would work.

It also looks like this has been broken since 2021; an email thread
is attached in which no-one followed up after my last reply, as far
as I can tell.

If someone gets me the current treasurer@lojabn.org password for
Amazon, I can probably get this working.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 07:13:36PM -0800, Robin Powell wrote:
> Furthermore, I no longer appear to have a working LLG login for KDP, s= o I
> can't actually check directly myself.=C2=A0 FWIW, though, KDP *doe= s* support
> physical books; see for example
> https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic= /GKYZRXFBZH2LDXAK
>
> But it's possible that I'm misremembering and we did go to Spa= rk; I
> honestly don't know.
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:11=E2=80=AFPM Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpow= ell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> > Ugh, I'm sorry I can't be more help; it's been *so lo= ng* since I set
> > this up.=C2=A0 I'm trying to check through old emails.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:40:05AM -0800, Riley Lynch wrote:
> > > I could not find anything within Amazon KDP that related to = print
> > > publishing. Did I not look hard enough?
> > >
> > > The reports from Ingram seemed to indicate that they are som= ehow still in
> > > use for both print and electronic publishing, with sales for= both
> > reported
> > > within the last month.
> > >
> > > I will continue to try to get my head around how everything = is
> > configured.
> > > I will document what I learn. I'd appreciate any help al= ong the way.
> > >
> > > Regarding the Amazon KDP warnings, I have had difficulty pla= cating those
> > > messages in the past, but perhaps I can figure out what the = issue is
> > along
> > > with resolving the more urgent issue of restoring the availa= bility of the
> > > print edition of CLL.
> > >
> > > --Riley
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:50=E2=80=AFAM Robin Lee Powell <= ;
> > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's been a really long time, but I *believe* We do= n't use Ingram
> > > > Spark anymore, we use Amazon KDP; hapefully that's = enough to get you
> > > > back on track?
> > > >
> > > > Side comment: I keep seeing KDP emails to treasurer@lojban.org about=
> > > > how they can't pay us anymore for sales in some mar= kets; hopefully
> > > > someone did something with those?=C2=A0 If not, maybe t= hat's relevant?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 03:11:27AM -0500, Riley Lynch w= rote:
> > > > > I see the same thing on Amazon that Robin notes: C= LL is available in
> > > > Kindle
> > > > > format, but only used copies are available in pape= r.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > https://www.amazon= .com/Complete-Lojban-Language-John-Cowan/dp/0966028325
> > > > >
> > > > > However, when I log into Ingram Spark, it seems to= indicate that both
> > > > > e-books and print books are still being sold.
> > > > >
> > > > > [image: Screenshot 2024-02-26 at 2.57.30 AM.png] > > > > > I am unable to find a record of these sales via Am= azon, however.
> > > > >
> > > > > I never had a very good understanding of how publi= shing for CLL
> > works,
> > > > and
> > > > > I did not track all of the implications of the mig= ration from
> > Lightning
> > > > > Source to Ingram Spark. That said, I'd be glad= to learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robin, if you have time to walk me through your im= pressions of how
> > things
> > > > > ought to work, I'd be glad to get on a call wi= th you. I am on West
> > Coast
> > > > > time for the next week. Async is also fine, if tha= t's easier for
> > you. I
> > > > > would also be glad to continue to investigate this= on my own, but I'm
> > > > sure
> > > > > I would benefit from your context.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incidentally: In order to log into both Amazon and= Ingram, I had to
> > reset
> > > > > passwords for both. I want to make sure that we ca= n both continue to
> > > > access
> > > > > these sites.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Riley
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 4:13=E2=80=AFPM Riley Lync= h <shunpiker@gm= ail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I can also look into this tomorrow.. Thank yo= u for calling it out,
> > > > Robin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Karen S= tein <comcare= svcs@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> That is weird. When I just checked on Ama= zon, following Robin's
> > link,
> > > > > >> several new copies were available, but we= still weren't listed as
> > a
> > > > > >> possible source. Who has handled our Amaz= on account in the past?
> > If
> > > > that's
> > > > > >> you, please check this out and get back t= o all of us with what you
> > > > find.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >> karis
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 00:21 Robin Lee Pow= ell <SRS0=3D96e4=3Dkb=3D
> > > > > >> digitalkingdom.org=3Drlpowell@lojban.org> wrote:=
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Looking at
> > > > > >>>
> > > >
> > https://www.amazo= n.com/Complete-Lojban-Language-John-Cowan/dp/0966028325/
> > > > > >>> , I don't see *us* selling it any= where in hardcover, only used
> > > > > >>> copies.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Robin Lee= Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To:=C2=A0Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org&= gt;, mukti <shu= npiker@gmail.com>
Cc:=C2=A0
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Mon, 6 Ja= n 2020 15:00:18 -0800
Subject:=C2=A0Re: CLL ordering problems


On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 02:55:25PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 12:59:16PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issu= es.
> >
> > I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL<= br> > > as a gift.=C2=A0 amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is=
> > available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazo= n
> > has no idea. Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on deman= d
> > and they had no idea what was wrong or when the book would be
> > available.=C2=A0 Do we have some kind of annual contract that nee= ds to
> > be renewed or something?=C2=A0 If someone knows something and can=
> > check, it would be appreciated.
>
> OK, so, there's a bunch of things going on here.
>
> I was keeping all this information in
> https://doc= s.google.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaehRaAJWw/edit
> , but it seems to have fallen out of date somewhat, and also it
> looks like it was flat-out wrong in some places.
>
> 1.=C2=A0 The account that is probably directly relevant here is our >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Kindle Direct Publishing account, but when I try to= log in there
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the info in the quarterly books document, I ge= t:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Enter the One Time Password (OTP) that has b= een sent to a phone number ending in 557
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0, which as far as I know is not a phone number that= is mine or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0has ever been mine.=C2=A0 This is for our Amazon ac= count, for treasu= rer@lojban.org
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0So whoever has that phone needs to investigate that= .
>
> 2.=C2=A0 We appear to have an old, unused Lightning Source account; in=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the meantime we got moved to Ingram Spark.=C2=A0 I = have updated the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0document to try to reflect this, but the the lightn= ing source
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0account with account number 6020176 is, as far as I= can tell, no
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0longer relevant at all.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0According to Ingram Spark, everything is fine:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ISBN/SKU=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Format= =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0Contributor=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Submit Date=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Status=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A09780966028331 EPUB=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The C= omplete Lojban Language=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cowan, John W=C2=A0 =C2=A06/14/2016=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Available for Printing/Download
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A09780966028324 Case Laminate=C2=A0 =C2= =A0The Complete Lojban Language=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cowan, John W=C2=A0 =C2=A01/8/= 2015=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Available for Printing/Download=C2=A0 =C2= =A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A09780966028317 Perfect Bound=C2=A0 =C2= =A0What Is Lojban? Nicholas, Nick=C2=A0 5/30/2003=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0Available for Printing/Download=C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0But for Amazon, only the KDP account above is relev= ant.

To add to this:

a.=C2=A0 Literally any major book seller *except* Amazon should be
working.

b.=C2=A0 Ingram Spark has filled orders within the last month.

> > There is an email in the
> > lojban@loj= ban.org account from Feiad Mohammed <f.moham@gmail.com>,
> > who made the query.=C2=A0 If you answer him directly please copy = me so
> > I know it has been dealt with.
> >
> > BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source?=C2=A0 Or only=
> > from a book retailer?
>
> We can order direct from Ingram Spark (which is what our Lightning
> Source account is called now, basically), but they can't; see
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ingramspar= k.com/blog/3-ways-to-order-books



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Robin Lee= Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To:=C2=A0Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org&= gt;
Cc:=C2=A0mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com>
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Mon, 6 Jan = 2020 14:55:25 -0800
Subject:=C2=A0Re: CLL ordering problems


On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 12:59:16PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote:
> I'm not sure who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues. >
> I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL
> as a gift.=C2=A0 amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is
> available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazon
> has no idea. Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand
> and they had no idea what was wrong or when the book would be
> available.=C2=A0 Do we have some kind of annual contract that needs to=
> be renewed or something?=C2=A0 If someone knows something and can
> check, it would be appreciated.

OK, so, there's a bunch of things going on here.

I was keeping all this information in
https://docs.goo= gle.com/document/d/1gjSRT9K_DKDVELwGrnNtrx31lEnK5-17uYaehRaAJWw/edit , but it seems to have fallen out of date somewhat, and also it
looks like it was flat-out wrong in some places.

1.=C2=A0 The account that is probably directly relevant here is our
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Kindle Direct Publishing account, but when I try to log in th= ere
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with the info in the quarterly books document, I get:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Enter the One Time Password (OTP) that has been sent t= o a phone number ending in 557

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 , which as far as I know is not a phone number that is mine o= r
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 has ever been mine.=C2=A0 This is for our Amazon account, for= treasurer@lojban= .org

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So whoever has that phone needs to investigate that.

2.=C2=A0 We appear to have an old, unused Lightning Source account; in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the meantime we got moved to Ingram Spark.=C2=A0 I have updat= ed the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 document to try to reflect this, but the the lightning source=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 account with account number 6020176 is, as far as I can tell,= no
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 longer relevant at all.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 According to Ingram Spark, everything is fine:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ISBN/SKU=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Format=C2= =A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0Contributor=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Submit Date=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Status=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 9780966028331=C2=A0 =C2=A0EPUB=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The= Complete Lojban Language=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cowan, John W=C2=A0 =C2=A06/14/2016= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Available for Printing/Download
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 9780966028324=C2=A0 =C2=A0Case Laminate=C2=A0 = =C2=A0The Complete Lojban Language=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cowan, John W=C2=A0 =C2=A01= /8/2015=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Available for Printing/Download=C2=A0 = =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 9780966028317=C2=A0 =C2=A0Perfect Bound=C2=A0 = =C2=A0What Is Lojban? Nicholas, Nick=C2=A0 5/30/2003=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0Available for Printing/Download=C2=A0 =C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But for Amazon, only the KDP account above is relevant.

> There is an email in the
> lojban@lojban.o= rg account from Feiad Mohammed <f.moham@gmail.com>,
> who made the query.=C2=A0 If you answer him directly please copy me so=
> I know it has been dealt with.
>
> BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source?=C2=A0 Or only
> from a book retailer?

We can order direct from Ingram Spark (which is what our Lightning
Source account is called now, basically), but they can't; see

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ingramspark.com/blog= /3-ways-to-order-books



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Robert Le= Chevalier <lojbab= @lojban.org>
To:=C2=A0Robin Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>,= mukti <shunpik= er@gmail.com>
Cc:=C2=A0
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Mon, 6 Jan 20= 20 12:59:16 -0500
Subject:=C2=A0CLL ordering problems
I'm not sur= e who is handling Lightning Source CLL orders issues.

I just got a call from someone who is trying to order a copy CLL as a
gift.=C2=A0 amazon.com supposedly says that next day delivery is available, but he waited several days with no response, and amazon has no idea.
Barnes and Noble then told him it was print on demand and they had no
idea what was wrong or when the book would be available.=C2=A0 Do we have <= br> some kind of annual contract that needs to be renewed or something?=C2=A0 I= f
someone knows something and can check, it would be appreciated.=C2=A0 There=
is an email in the l= ojban@lojban.org account from Feiad Mohammed
<f.moham@gmail.co= m>, who made the query.=C2=A0 If you answer him directly
please copy me so I know it has been dealt with.

BTW, can people order direct from Lightning Source?=C2=A0 Or only from a bo= ok
retailer?

lojbab




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Robin Lee= Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To:=C2=A0lojban@googlegroups.com, llg-members@lojban.org
Cc:=C2=A0
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:41:53 -0700<= br>Subject:=C2=A0[lojban] CLL v1.1 is (probably) *DONE*

So our EPUB didn't pass any of the automated tests that Ingram Spark specified (oops).=C2=A0 This led to major revisions in terms of the
markup details of all versions except the PDF, but especially the
EPUB.=C2=A0 We now roll our own EPUB by hand (it turns out it's just a<= br> specially formatted zip file with XHTML in it, so we just use the
section-chunked version of the CLL plus a bunch of post-processing).

There were also some bug fixes to the content; see
http://lojban.org/publications/cll/CHANGELOG for com= plete details of
the latest revision.=C2=A0 Props to 101001000100001 for the great catch
(we had things like "Example 5.5" in a few places that were raw t= ext
instead of links, and hence completely wrong).

Oh, also, I added a changelog.=C2=A0 :D

I have just uploaded the EPUB and print versions 2016-06-12 to
Ingram Spark.

Assuming that all goes well with those uploads (and in particular
that they show up on Amazon as two versions of the same book, a
point abuot which I am extremely skeptical), I'm pretty much done
with CLL work.

Like, "hey Robin you're the one most familiar with the process can=
you roll new versions?" is fine, but I've lost literally hundreds<= br> (probably over a thousand) hours of my life to this thing, so now
that it's up and running I'm basically out.

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