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From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 10:17:11 +0300
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Subject: Re: Should I just shut mailman off? (lojban.org infra question)
To: Robin Lee Powell <robinleepowell@gmail.com>
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Those mailing lists will still have archives retained at mail.lojban.org or
something, right?

Em ter., 14 de set. de 2021 =C3=A0s 04:44, Robin Lee Powell <
robinleepowell@gmail.com> escreveu:

>
> I'm working very hard right now to stop being a bus-factor=3D1 Lojban
> sysadmin (in case that makes no sense:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor#Definition ).  I have been
> *very* actively working on updating and containerizing all the
> lojban.org infrastructure, with the end goal of making a series of
> videos that would let anyone with a master password manage any of
> the Lojban infrastructure I run, even in the event of my house
> exploding.
>
> A thing that is taking a surprising amount of effort is mailman,
> which is the mailing list management software I run for y'all.  This
> is used for the following lists:
>
> Kabal
> Lojban-fr
> llg-board
> Llg-members
> Lojban-de
> Lojban-es
> Lojban-fr
>
> Note that this does *not* include the two major public lists,
> https://groups.google.com/g/bpfk-list and
> https://groups.google.com/g/lojban
>
> The only ones that have had any significant traffic in a long time
> are llg-board and llg-members.
>
> None have received any traffic of consequence since 2019, and it
> looks like the board and members stuff is now happening on
> mattermost.
>
> It would be *significantly* easier for me to just turn the whole
> thing off, leaving read-only archives.
>
> Having said that, I *do* have new mailman infrastructure working, so
> I could leave it running.
>
> What do people think the right move is here?
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Those mailing lists will still have archives retained at=
=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://mail.lojban.org">mail.lojban.org</a> or something, =
right?</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">Em ter., 14 de set. de 2021 =C3=A0s 04:44, Robin Lee Powell &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:robinleepowell@gmail.com">robinleepowell@gmail.com</a>&gt; esc=
reveu:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
I&#39;m working very hard right now to stop being a bus-factor=3D1 Lojban<b=
r>
sysadmin (in case that makes no sense:<br>
<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor#Definition" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor#Definiti=
on</a> ).=C2=A0 I have been<br>
*very* actively working on updating and containerizing all the<br>
<a href=3D"http://lojban.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">lojban.o=
rg</a> infrastructure, with the end goal of making a series of<br>
videos that would let anyone with a master password manage any of<br>
the Lojban infrastructure I run, even in the event of my house<br>
exploding.<br>
<br>
A thing that is taking a surprising amount of effort is mailman,<br>
which is the mailing list management software I run for y&#39;all.=C2=A0 Th=
is<br>
is used for the following lists:<br>
<br>
Kabal<br>
Lojban-fr<br>
llg-board<br>
Llg-members<br>
Lojban-de<br>
Lojban-es<br>
Lojban-fr<br>
<br>
Note that this does *not* include the two major public lists,<br>
<a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/g/bpfk-list" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/g/bpfk-list</a> and <a href=3D"https:=
//groups.google.com/g/lojban" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://=
groups.google.com/g/lojban</a><br>
<br>
The only ones that have had any significant traffic in a long time<br>
are llg-board and llg-members.<br>
<br>
None have received any traffic of consequence since 2019, and it<br>
looks like the board and members stuff is now happening on<br>
mattermost.<br>
<br>
It would be *significantly* easier for me to just turn the whole<br>
thing off, leaving read-only archives.<br>
<br>
Having said that, I *do* have new mailman infrastructure working, so<br>
I could leave it running.<br>
<br>
What do people think the right move is here?<br>
</blockquote></div>

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