Received: from localhost ([::1]:45317 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtbhg-0005aO-8T; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 04:28:16 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com ([107.14.166.232]:56629 helo=cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtbhb-0005a6-Fo for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 04:28:13 -0800 Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:59425] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 7B/8F-16136-457C5745; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:28:05 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9E391A for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:28:03 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: llg-members@lojban.org Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1791601.oZ280FNDu3@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-39-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <1703705.YW2RrY83V4@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2014 Annual Meeting - Motion to create a Project Manager position. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:04:34 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > 2014-11-26 3:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > > So would this officer be able to find Lojbanists, maybe in Russia or > > Japan, who > > could help with defining rating scales for the proficiency test? > > For that a dictionary and a refgram is a must imo. > Proficiency tests would also require fluent speakers that first time are to > be determined without any tests. Otherwise who are the judges? For now the test is only written, possibly with listening comprehension questions (there is nothing in the database schema yet about audio recordings). The dictionary isn't required except for determining level 3 on the fu'ivla, lujvo, and cmene scales (Requires knowing the meaning of a defined cmene/lujvo/fu'ivla). There may be a problem if the word is defined only in Japanese and the testee speaks English but not Japanese, or vice versa. Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members