Received: from localhost ([::1]:52129 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XuRIJ-0003EM-Us; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:33:32 -0800 Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com ([74.125.82.51]:57935) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XuRIG-0003E7-SS for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:33:31 -0800 Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k14so9444598wgh.38 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:33:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CJhNefVpmV0ud7eaa9qMl/z3aMndPUjCb3a+6oOQf9E=; b=v8xcVZmn3c9FiFGZMObeLFcHoEimGuxsla7r5jvsyekMfiDGmV/qRJJ2VM8Se9DC0P FJgiQqzG93ZjY6aUzKQUySnuzlbYwq0iy122sQouV61xIcLXgXUUdx5KFfgbgzbMJ9Kp YkeJO/rMBcnl+dY4PREB4tI33vvjBZedclAbnYs4eZDJahqWtyWdSnlXjWnLaAgjSX1r S3+0hIxz8zPOa4CCalFKYjwaBsMP/CYs2Q4UNWQ3KmEdhaooeU3KqMs1LAQscVJ/gXxz qrqBTUwNOIYsNmXIINCpDzZi05ZRnQiV9x3ssgwwdyNBZLJLf3Ufi+CK2KqlxMZFSZd6 sb4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.102.135 with SMTP id fo7mr64844182wib.79.1417203197133; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.87.229 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:33:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1703705.YW2RrY83V4@caracal> <1791601.oZ280FNDu3@caracal> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:33:17 +0300 Message-ID: From: Gleki Arxokuna To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2014 Annual Meeting - Motion to create a Project Manager position. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7550758870230513130==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7550758870230513130== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444728f23cb1a0508f05543 --f46d0444728f23cb1a0508f05543 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 lo du'e jatna si jukpa ka'e jai gau spofu fai lo stasu There is no need to increase the presense of Lojban on the web now. It's not a finvenkistic project. New parts of the society won't learn it anyway for obvious reasons most of which have already been mentioned in this thread. IT'D BE NICE IF PEOPLE WERE PAID FOR THE ACTUAL WORK. One example is the upper ontology list with definitions in English and usage examples for every te sumti (earlier called "dictionary"). A similar one (the same as the previous one but repackaged) is a phrasebook. Most fluent speakers are here in this mailing list. Ask who can do that and how much the LLG can pay. When at least this project is done then promoting Lojban can be productive. But not in the present situation. 2014-11-28 1:58 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > What would the costs be? I wonder if it would be worth trialling, if the > cost is so low that it would comfortably be within LLG's meagre resources. > > Would your recommended candidate be able to read and write Lojban? That > would seem to be a fairly essential criterion. (I can no longer read and > write Lojban, and that -- pardonably -- excludes me from significant Lojban > activity.) > > --And. > On 27 Nov 2014 09:27, "Ali Sajid Imami" wrote: > >> Individual status of the projects aside, the way the discussion is going >> now is exactly why I am suggestign that we create the position and hire a >> person to do that job. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Ali Sajid Imami >> CTO >> Khabaristan Times >> >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:04:34 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>> > 2014-11-26 3:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>> > > So would this officer be able to find Lojbanists, maybe in Russia or >>> > > Japan, who >>> > > could help with defining rating scales for the proficiency test? >>> > >>> > For that a dictionary and a refgram is a must imo. >>> > Proficiency tests would also require fluent speakers that first time >>> are to >>> > be determined without any tests. Otherwise who are the judges? >>> >>> For now the test is only written, possibly with listening comprehension >>> questions (there is nothing in the database schema yet about audio >>> recordings). >>> >>> The dictionary isn't required except for determining level 3 on the >>> fu'ivla, >>> lujvo, and cmene scales (Requires knowing the meaning of a defined >>> cmene/lujvo/fu'ivla). There may be a problem if the word is defined only >>> in >>> Japanese and the testee speaks English but not Japanese, or vice versa. >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f46d0444728f23cb1a0508f05543 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
lo du'e jatna si jukpa ka'e jai gau spofu fai lo s= tasu

There is no need to increase the presense of Lo= jban on the web now. It's not a finvenkistic project.

New parts of the society won't learn it anyway for obvious reas= ons most of which have already been mentioned in this thread.
IT'D BE NICE IF PEOPLE WERE PAID FOR THE ACTUAL WORK.

One example is the upper ontology list with definit= ions in English and usage examples for every te sumti (earlier called "= ;dictionary").
A similar one (the same as the previous one b= ut repackaged) is a phrasebook.
Most fluent speakers are here in = this mailing list.
Ask who can do that and how much the LLG can p= ay.

When at least this project is done then promot= ing Lojban can be productive. But not in the present situation.
<= br>

20= 14-11-28 1:58 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

What would the costs be? I = wonder if it would be worth trialling, if the cost is so low that it would = comfortably be within LLG's meagre resources.

Would your recommended candidate be able to read and write L= ojban? That would seem to be a fairly essential criterion. (I can no longer= read and write Lojban, and that -- pardonably -- excludes me from signific= ant Lojban activity.)

--And.

On 27 Nov 2014 09:27, "Ali Sajid Imami"= ; <ali.sa= jid.imami@gmail.com> wrote:
Individual status of the projects aside,= the way the discussion is going now is exactly why I am suggestign that we= create the position and hire a person to do that job.



Regards,
Ali Sajid Imami
<= div>CTO

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Pierre Abba= t <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:04:34 Gleki Arxokuna wrot= e:
> 2014-11-26 3:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>:
> > So would this officer be able to find Lojbanists, maybe in Russia= or
> > Japan, who
> > could help with defining rating scales for the proficiency test?<= br> >
> For that a dictionary and a refgram is a must imo.
> Proficiency tests would also require fluent speakers that first time a= re to
> be determined without any tests. Otherwise who are the judges?

For now the test is only written, possibly with listening compr= ehension
questions (there is nothing in the database schema yet about audio
recordings).

The dictionary isn't required except for determining level 3 on the fu&= #39;ivla,
lujvo, and cmene scales (Requires knowing the meaning of a defined
cmene/lujvo/fu'ivla). There may be a problem if the word is defined onl= y in
Japanese and the testee speaks English but not Japanese, or vice versa.

Pierre
--
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.


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