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How are new members supposed to be approved in BPFK? 2. I suggest that the bpfk-list be open for everyone for commenting however only votes of official members are counted during voting. 3. I suggest that a simple majority of votes be necessary during accepting the results of voting for new issues. 4. As of now I suggest that all members of LLG + J. Cowan + la .aionys. automatically become members of LLG (did I miss anyone active there?) 2015-01-18 18:54 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch : > Ahead of the IRC session, I would like to share a draft proposal to > re-establish BPFK. > > BPFK was originally chartered by the Baseline Policy of 2002/2003, but for > various reasons, has never realized the objectives that were envisioned for > it by that document. > > It's my hope that a re-establishment of BPFK will both help to revitalize > that body and to open the door to a reconsideration of the Baseline Policy > itself, which on a number of important points no longer reflects the will > or values of the lojban-using community. > > For example, this statement from the Baseline Policy seems at odds with > both the longstanding traditions favoring description over prescription, as > well as more recent of limiting LLG's role in linguistic matters: > > LLG must strongly encourage people to adhere to the baseline as defined, > in the interest of unity of the language community > > > I also hope that a reorganization of BPFK will include a recognition of > the fact that we ask a lot of the chairs of BPFK. Limiting the term of the > chair to a single year reduces this burden, while highlighting the fact > that we as a community are asking someone to work for us. Non-renewable > appointments deprive chairs of the opportunity to re-negotiate the terms of > their work. A renewable appointment helps to ensure that LLG provides BPFK > and its chair with the latitude and resources to accomplish its work, since > if it does not, there will likely be no volunteers for the position. > > I look forward to discussing this proposal with the membership. > > --Riley > mi'e la mukti mu'o > > ---- > > BPFK REAUTHORIZATION (DRAFT) > > LLG hereby recommissions BPFK (a.k.a. "banpla fuzykamni", "baupla > fuzykamni", "byfy") as a standing committee with the charge of improving > and maintaining formal descriptions of Lojban, elaborating undocumented and > under-documented language features, resolving inconsistencies and errors in > existing documentation, and responding to issues that arise in usage. > > BPFK is expressly empowered to determine its own decision-making process > and pursue its own agenda within the scope of its charge as specified in > this charter. > > BPFK is authorized to propose standards for the lojban language which may > include lists of words, definitions in various languages, human or > mechanical specifications of the grammar, and instructional or reference > texts. > > Standard documents may be reported to the Annual Meeting for ratification > by a two-thirds majority of the general membership. Once ratified, the > standards may be described as "official standards" of LLG. When the Annual > Meeting is not in session, BPFK may seek Board approval of standards, which > upon such approval, may be described as "interim standards". > > Starting with the adoption of this policy, the chair of BPFK (a.k.a. > "jatna", "BFKJ") will stand for election to a single year term by a > majority vote at the Annual Meeting of LLG membership. In the case that > BPFK nominates a candidate in its annual report to the membership, LLG > membership will vote to confirm the nomination. If no candidate is > nominated by BPFK, or if the nominated candidate is not confirmed by the > membership, an open election will be held by LLG membership. Membership in > LLG or will not be considered a requirement for this position. > > Should the chair become vacant for any reason while the Annual Meeting is > not in session, the Board may ask the committee to nominate an interim > chair to serve the balance of the term. Should the committee fail to > forward a nominee, or should more than one nominee be forwarded, the Board > reserves the discretion to appoint an interim chair. > > In the case that the Annual Meeting of LLG membership fails to confirm or > elect a chair, the committee will be considered suspended until such a time > as an interim chair is appointed by the Board, or until the election of a > new chair at a subsequent Annual Meeting. > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f46d04428af2ebf2c6050cf0b86c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1. How are new members supposed to be approved in BPFK?2. I suggest that the bpfk-list be open for everyone for commenting howev= er only votes of official members are counted during voting.
3. I= suggest that a simple majority of votes be necessary during accepting the = results of voting for new issues.
4. As of now I suggest that all= members of LLG + J. Cowan + la .aionys. automatically become members of LL= G (did I miss anyone active there?)
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2015-01-18 18:54 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lyn= ch <shunpiker@gmail.com>:
Ahead of the IRC session, I woul= d like to share a draft proposal to re-establish BPFK.

=
BPFK was originally chartered by the Baseline Policy of 2002/2003, but= for various reasons, has never realized the objectives that were envisione= d for it by that document.

It's my hope that a= re-establishment of BPFK will both help to revitalize that body and to ope= n the door to a reconsideration of the Baseline Policy itself, which on a n= umber of important points no longer reflects the will or values of the lojb= an-using community.

For example, this statement fr= om the Baseline Policy seems at odds with both the longstanding traditions = favoring description over prescription, as well as more recent of limiting = LLG's role in linguistic matters:

LLG must strongly encou= rage people to adhere to the baseline as defined, in the interest of unity = of the=C2=A0language community

I also= hope that a reorganization of BPFK will include a recognition of the fact = that we ask a lot of the chairs of BPFK. Limiting the term of the chair to = a single year reduces this burden, while highlighting the fact that we as a= community are asking someone to work for us. Non-renewable appointments de= prive chairs of the opportunity to re-negotiate the terms of their work. A = renewable appointment helps to ensure that LLG provides=C2=A0BPFK and its c= hair with the latitude and resources to accomplish its work, since if it do= es not, there will likely be no volunteers for the position.

=
I look forward to discussing this proposal with the membership.<= /div>

--Riley
mi'e la mukti mu'o
=

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BPFK REAUTHORIZATION (DRA= FT)

LLG hereby recommissions BPFK (a.k.a. &qu= ot;banpla fuzykamni", "baupla fuzykamni", "byfy") = as a standing committee with the charge of improving and maintaining formal= descriptions of Lojban, elaborating undocumented and under-documented lang= uage features, resolving inconsistencies and errors in existing documentati= on, and responding to issues that arise in usage.

= BPFK is expressly empowered to determine its own decision-making process an= d pursue its own agenda within the scope of its charge as specified in this= charter.

BPFK is authorized to propose standards = for the lojban language which may include lists of words, definitions in va= rious languages, human or mechanical specifications of the grammar, and ins= tructional or reference texts.

Standard documents = may be reported to the Annual Meeting for ratification by a two-thirds majo= rity of the general membership. Once ratified, the standards may be describ= ed as "official standards" of LLG. When the Annual Meeting is not= in session, BPFK may seek Board approval of standards, which upon such app= roval, may be described as "interim standards".

Starting with the adoption of this policy, the chair of BPFK (a.k.a= . "jatna", "BFKJ") will stand for election to a single = year term by a majority vote at the Annual Meeting of LLG membership. In th= e case that BPFK nominates a candidate in its annual report to the membersh= ip, LLG membership will vote to confirm the nomination. If no candidate is = nominated by BPFK, or if the nominated candidate is not confirmed by the me= mbership, an open election will be held by LLG membership. Membership in LL= G or will not be considered a requirement for this position.

=
Should the chair become vacant for any reason while the Annual M= eeting is not in session, the Board may ask the committee to nominate an in= terim chair to serve the balance of the term. Should the committee fail to = forward a nominee, or should more than one nominee be forwarded, the Board = reserves the discretion to appoint an interim chair.

In the case that the Annual Meeting of LLG membership fails to confirm o= r elect a chair, the committee will be considered suspended until such a ti= me as an interim chair is appointed by the Board, or until the election of = a new chair at a subsequent Annual Meeting.

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