Received: from localhost ([::1]:52095 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YDFjZ-0005AG-My; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:03:25 -0800 Received: from earth.ccil.org ([192.190.237.11]:59277) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YDFjS-0005A5-QD for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:03:23 -0800 Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1YDFjP-0002t1-W2 for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:03:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:03:15 -0500 From: John Cowan To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: <20150119170315.GA27888@mercury.ccil.org> References: <0CD5A578A47549238B8B046A01B8846C@gmail.com> <54BCF147.1080803@lojban.org> <54BCFC70.2010805@selpahi.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.2 X-Spam_score_int: 2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: guskant scripsit: > A language consists of only sequences of symbols regulated by > a grammar, but the universe expressed by a language depends on > definitions of words. As long as the words of a language are defined > by another language, the universe is restricted to that can be > expressed by the language used for the definitions. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: ccil.org] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in ccil.org.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Subject: Re: [Llg-members] nu ningau so'u se jbovlaste / updating a few jbovlaste entries X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org guskant scripsit: > A language consists of only sequences of symbols regulated by > a grammar, but the universe expressed by a language depends on > definitions of words. As long as the words of a language are defined > by another language, the universe is restricted to that can be > expressed by the language used for the definitions. While I support the idea of Lojban definitions, there is no evidence that there is anything that one language can express that another cannot (and this is not the SWH), modulo the addition of sufficient vocabulary. > I think the universe expressed by Lojban should be liberated from the > other languages. There is nothing to liberate. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus. Send us, bright one, light one, Horhorn, quickening, and wombfruit. (3x) Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! --Joyce, Ulysses, "Oxen of the Sun" _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members