Received: from localhost ([::1]:47540 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YN3TS-00070Y-DG; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:59:18 -0800 Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]:36779) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YN3TL-00070P-4W for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:59:15 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hi2so21828994wib.0 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:59:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=wLZcg63woCCtp3qqTx9Wel17fjCmDYCa6dfjhHdb1eQ=; b=iBkHBeeo7AqKkhRD9Nj9I/ai+mZXsCoA8DcxP+1MdBQq6u1XvQCW7szwuQNT6h1yMB HEIG+mC6LTJU7vBBmfBygnQMVCPvMttKsYdcQOs4o6dz2zO2XP4I1kEiuWFjQCEjgggT gT4X/tRRnOyETEhV7UXlH4UjD/H+9x+Vl7CYU2UTOPO6HutZQASFC+3DjR8QatwX4py5 U1+LGpV3490Ihv5XGBW5PMBbQlwdc/b5627YkITkVzha9X+qeK1AoOrV3cesZp5jy6f9 4kBwOq1DipyEDzPDtjBv57JlryFTK3XocH4tDl9FpRw17Vm1MoAsATfxc8itunciiwTo Lc0w== X-Received: by 10.194.158.234 with SMTP id wx10mr42648036wjb.23.1424023144098; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:59:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.86.200 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:58:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54E0D33B.6040602@lojban.org> References: <54D471BB.2070605@lojban.org> <54D66BA8.5040607@lojban.org> <08041A2E-FC72-4E80-AAB4-468A1A3C4DB4@gmail.com> <54DA533B.2090803@lojban.org> <54DD2B86.2020506@lojban.org> <54E0D33B.6040602@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:58:43 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion: BPFK Reauthorization (amendment) X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3826324507985624672==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3826324507985624672== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c625ca7f17d050f2439a0 --089e013c625ca7f17d050f2439a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-02-15 20:11 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > On 2/13/2015 1:12 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> >> 2015-02-13 1:39 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG >> >: >> >> I've also been struck by the realization that the sub-community that >> has built up around IRC has significantly different ideas on making >> their usages "official" than the rest of the community, which I fear >> would lead to rapid and sometimes contentious language change, >> without achieving true consensus. This was the sort of thing that >> helped tear the TLI Loglan community apart. One can easily imagine >> that a chair appointed from among one faction could cause that >> faction to be controlling in decisions on language change. >> >> >> How can this happen if almost all LLG members are BPFK members? >> > > I'm not aware that this is the case, and we don't really have any idea how > many and who will be BPFK members in the future. > > The point is that a BPFK chair who chooses all members, could easily > choose those of some sub-community to skew the language. I'm not sure how > likely this is, but my instincts were trained in the context of JCB's > community, where such things seemed much more likely. > > Then who decides? >> > > Decides what? > > How can the rest of the community be reached if e.g. they don't want to >> join BPFK or LLG? >> > > Reached for what purpose. I don't understand the question. You said that the IRC subcommunity has different ideas than the rest of the community. But how can the rest of the community be reached and how is IRC relevant? Is anyone stopping non-IRCers to join BPFK? > > lojbab > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --089e013c625ca7f17d050f2439a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-02-15 20:11 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org><= /span>:
On 2/13/2015 1:1= 2 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

2015-02-13 1:39 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG
<= /span> <lojbab@lojban.or= g <mailto:loj= bab@lojban.org>>:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've also been struck by the realization that the sub-com= munity that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 has built up around IRC has significantly different ideas on = making
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 their usages "official" than the rest of the commun= ity, which I fear
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 would lead to rapid and sometimes contentious language change= ,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 without achieving true consensus.=C2=A0 This was the sort of = thing that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 helped tear the TLI Loglan community apart.=C2=A0 One can eas= ily imagine
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 that a chair appointed from among one faction could cause tha= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 faction to be controlling in decisions on language change.

How can this happen if almost all LLG members are BPFK members?

I'm not aware that this is the case, and we don't really have any i= dea how many and who will be BPFK members in the future.

The point is that a BPFK chair who chooses all members, could easily choose= those of some sub-community to skew the language.=C2=A0 I'm not sure h= ow likely this is, but my instincts were trained in the context of JCB'= s community, where such things seemed much more likely.

Then who decides?

Decides what?

How can the rest of the community be reached if e.g. they don't want to= join BPFK or LLG?

 Reached for what purpose.=C2=A0 I don't understand the question.

You said that the IRC subcommunity has different = ideas than the rest of the community. But how can the rest of the community= be reached and how is IRC relevant? Is anyone stopping non-IRCers to join = BPFK?



lojbab


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