Received: from localhost ([::1]:44486 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yd0mM-0005Aj-7T; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:20:46 -0700 Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com ([209.85.217.181]:35418) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yd0mF-0005AZ-Ps for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:20:43 -0700 Received: by lbdc10 with SMTP id c10so18830369lbd.2 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:20:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=s55wAYkkYg2qCqja383yGmqVEyW+nwFv5LLruuPFhtY=; b=aPb0UNtMUXyqLI7VBt80rg/aGbKGw4oShza8psqeGbOz4F7JvDUkpDxjbe4abkctjw Mx2SGCtELVbbM4+04GitswAyww4K2BiKBu1ize11edjJRHqkD6qft9Exq3WaJoefF0Is 01WQpFrxkvuy9+mt3X68DfR+E4GhPMn9cZhkC91UFjXShOZMFfMNEUca+5BEH87R7o30 7i67ifwD2N8PYPmhyzKR1N1UO5RgeS0IMCU3qfZQPAZyfcT8ZURwDWgBN4YAEoL6rd3/ nlKKojXtYvyfvbGEv6BcagW6H3PtfeiBvuxPiW9m2wMV3fKuuoj8GH7j0uamtqHCYEyl ttzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.131.66 with SMTP id ok2mr31692232lbb.51.1427826032288; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.121.38 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:20:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5502321A.2050208@lojban.org> <551ADCFF.20709@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:20:32 +0500 Message-ID: From: Ali Sajid Imami To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] New Business: other topics X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0738436629899368941==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0738436629899368941== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33dbd674aa2d051299a752 --047d7b33dbd674aa2d051299a752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It is surprising that no one has even *asked* anything about my proposal. I will submit a detailed Job description and details of duties in the morning since I am a bit sleep deprived at the moment. Regards, Ali Sajid Imami CTO Khabaristan Times On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2015-03-31 20:44 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < > lojbab@lojban.org>: > >> Following are the four topics that have been mentioned for consideration >> under New Business. Ali has been most patient for a few months waiting for >> us to return to his proposal, so we should probably discuss it first. >> Otherwise, I leave it to the membership as to which should be discussed. >> >> On 3/12/2015 8:40 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: >> >>> 1) Ali's project manager proposal, which should probably be >>> re-introduced as a motion for discussion when I call for it. >>> >> >> Dealt with in a separate message. >> >> 2) Last Sunday, gleki, Ilmen and I, with apparently selpa'i listening >>> only, had a patched Skype conversation with a Brian Wernham of a company >>> called NooLearn in the UK, and his assistant. They are interested in >>> alpha-testing of their software system with a group of Lojbanists, which >>> will hopefully create some sort of on-line Lojban courseware (MOOC >>> platform (MOOC = Massive Open Online Course)), which would be made >>> available to us (and others) under a Creative Commons license. The >>> alpha-test would probably involve getting some number of Lojbanists >>> together in one place for a half-day closed-room effort at testing/using >>> the system, and I think there will be additional online testing that >>> people can help asynchronously. >>> >>> One suggestion was to have this take place as part of LogFest, which I >>> understand Pierre is putting together for July either in New York or >>> possibly at my place here in Washington DC (or perhaps at a nearby >>> hotel, which might be necessary in order to support their test). I >>> believe that the organization would be paying for any special needs, and >>> might be willing to assist a few people in getting to the test location. >>> Another possibility would be to get European Lojbanists together in >>> some single locale for the testing. >>> >>> So in New Business, we will discuss whether the membership wishes LLG to >>> support this effort, and whether LogFest is the best time for getting >>> together (or whether this might too-seriously disrupt the ability for >>> other activities). I believe I have a little more information, but we >>> may have to ask the nooLearn group some questions. >>> >> >> Gleki posted on this and seems to think that we do not know enough to >> discuss it, so this may have to be passed to the Board for resolution. > > > I'm surprised to hear that any such activity has to be supported by > resolutions. People have been making decks of flashcards in Anki, Memrise > and what preceded them for a long time. > > >> >> 3) gleki wrote: >> >>> What are the planned actions of the members on producing better >>> textbooks and dictionaries? >>> >> >> I have seen no discussion of this topic. Are any members interested in >> the topic (other than gleki and myself)? >> >> 4) guskant wrote: >> >>> I posted a message on the topic "2014 Annual Meeting - Breaking >>> isolation between communities" in December. I suggested in the message >>> creating a periodical (annual or more frequent) to connect isolated >>> communities of Lojban to each other. Articles from various communities >>> of Lojban should be inserted in an issue. I suggest each article is >>> bilingual of Lojban and a main Language of the community. The format >>> should be at least html, pdf, epub and mobi. The website of >>> publication should _not_ be on Google, because PRC blocks most sites >>> of Google. >>> >>> We will need to make call for contribution in every possible community. >>> La gleki can make contact with communities in Russia. >>> I can do it with communities in PRC and those in Japan. >>> A community in HongKong/Taiwan is very open to the rest of the world, >>> and everyone has access to it. >>> Possibly there are communities in Pakistan. Besides Ali, I have a >>> Pakistani friend who learns Lojban. >>> Moreover, I recently found someone speaks on Lojban in Arabic, and >>> there might be going to be born an Arabic speakers' community in near >>> future: >>> https://youtu.be/kBr6U0U4XYQ >>> >> >> Again, there has been no discussion. Is there interest among the >> membership? >> > > Looks like magazines are declining in their popularity in general. That > can explain why people aren't very interested in them. > These days people are more used to short pieces of information, not > lengthy magazines or books. > An appropriate format is to be found, maybe something like a newsfeed > where you get new articles one by one, not complete issues. or just a blog > where you can subscribe only to articles marked with certain tags and where > articles are premoderated thus preventing mailing list rants and mess of > unsolved issues. Thus in such a newsfeed you will get a stream of high > quality articles with final (not initial) opinions of proficient Lojbanists. > > >> >> If no one wants to talk about any of the New Business items, we should >> probably end this meeting. I will give until the end of day Friday for >> someone to show signs of discussion on one of these or possibly some other >> topic. If not, I will adjourn the meeting. > > >> >> lojbab >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --047d7b33dbd674aa2d051299a752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is surprising that no one has even *asked* anything = about my proposal. I will submit a detailed Job description and details of = duties in the morning since I am a bit sleep deprived at the moment.=C2=A0<= /div>



Regards,
Ali Sajid Imami
CTO

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Gleki Arxo= kuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

2015-03-31 20:44 GMT+03:= 00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>= :
Following are the four top= ics that have been mentioned for consideration under New Business.=C2=A0 Al= i has been most patient for a few months waiting for us to return to his pr= oposal, so we should probably discuss it first.=C2=A0 Otherwise, I leave it= to the membership as to which should be discussed.

 On 3/12/2015 8:40 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote:
1) Ali's project manager proposal, which should probably be
re-introduced as a motion for discussion when I call for it.

 Dealt with in a separate message.

2) Last Sunday, gleki, Ilmen and I, with apparently selpa'i listening only, had a patched Skype conversation with a Brian Wernham of a company called NooLearn in the UK, and his assistant.=C2=A0 They are interested in<= br> alpha-testing of their software system with a group of Lojbanists, which will hopefully create some sort of on-line Lojban courseware (MOOC
platform (MOOC =3D Massive Open Online Course)), which would be made
available to us (and others) under a Creative Commons license.=C2=A0 The alpha-test would probably involve getting some number of Lojbanists
together in one place for a half-day closed-room effort at testing/using the system, and I think there will be additional online testing that
people can help asynchronously.

One suggestion was to have this take place as part of LogFest, which I
understand Pierre is putting together for July either in New York or
possibly at my place here in Washington DC (or perhaps at a nearby
hotel, which might be necessary in order to support their test).=C2=A0 I believe that the organization would be paying for any special needs, and might be willing to assist a few people in getting to the test location. =C2=A0 Another possibility would be to get European Lojbanists together in<= br> some single locale for the testing.

So in New Business, we will discuss whether the membership wishes LLG to support this effort, and whether LogFest is the best time for getting
together (or whether this might too-seriously disrupt the ability for
other activities).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I believe I have a little more information, = but we
may have to ask the nooLearn group some questions.

 Gleki posted on this and seems to think that we do not know enough to discu= ss it, so this may have to be passed to the Board for resolution.

I'm surprised to hear that any such = activity has to be supported by resolutions. People have been making decks = of flashcards in Anki, Memrise and what preceded them for a long time.



3) gleki wrote:
What are the planned actions of the members on producing better textbooks a= nd dictionaries?

I have seen no discussion of this topic.=C2=A0 Are any members interested i= n the topic (other than gleki and myself)?

4) guskant wrote:
I posted a message on the topic "2014 Annual Meeting - Breaking
isolation between communities" in December. I suggested in the message=
creating a periodical (annual or more frequent) to connect isolated
communities of Lojban to each other. Articles from various communities
of Lojban should be inserted in an issue. I suggest each article is
bilingual of Lojban and a main Language of the community. The format
should be at least html, pdf, epub and mobi. The website of
publication should _not_ be on Google, because PRC blocks most sites
of Google.

We will need to make call for contribution in every possible community.
La gleki can make contact with communities in Russia.
I can do it with communities in PRC and those in Japan.
A community in HongKong/Taiwan is very open to the rest of the world,
and everyone has access to it.
Possibly there are communities in Pakistan. Besides Ali, I have a
Pakistani friend who learns Lojban.
Moreover, I recently found someone speaks on Lojban in Arabic, and
there might be going to be born an Arabic speakers' community in near future:
https://youtu.be= /kBr6U0U4XYQ

 Again, there has been no discussion.=C2=A0 Is there interest among the memb= ership?

Looks like magazine= s are declining in their popularity in general. That can explain why people= aren't very interested in them.
These days people are more u= sed to short pieces of information, not lengthy magazines or books.
An appropriate format is to be found, maybe something like a newsfeed wh= ere you get new articles one by one, not complete issues. or just a blog wh= ere you can subscribe only to articles marked with certain tags and where a= rticles are premoderated thus preventing mailing list rants and mess of uns= olved issues. Thus in such a newsfeed you will get a stream of high quality= articles with final (not initial) opinions of proficient Lojbanists.
=
=C2=A0

If no one wants to talk about any of the New Business items, we should prob= ably end this meeting.=C2=A0 I will give until the end of day Friday for so= meone to show signs of discussion on one of these or possibly some other to= pic.=C2=A0 If not, I will adjourn the meeting.=C2=A0


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