Received: from localhost ([::1]:49049 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YggGt-0003l2-PS; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:15:27 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net ([68.230.241.213]:45899) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YggGm-0003kk-DV for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 14:15:26 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150410211514.TKQV18129.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:15:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.242.63]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id EMFC1q00c1Nn1eG01MFDnr; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:15:13 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.55283D62.0045,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QIu2sH3L c=1 sm=1 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:17 a=JJ1bDv3c7YsA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=UPYOmh0pPtaJ56HKWWwA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=t4q1JY8aB-qvC7S3:21 a=NbW9YlD5n9QAu3WI:21 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <55283D76.2050606@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:15:34 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Detailed Proposal of a Project Manager X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 4/10/2015 1:47 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Who can take the responsibility to spend LLG's money for given projects? The Board of Directors has that authority, as does the membership at large. The President and Secretary/Treasurer have signature access to the bank account, and usually the VP and myself as the local officer, but we won't know who all these people will be until the new Board meets after the annual meeting ends (and then we have to do the paperwork to get the new officers access to the bank account). > Maybe la .lojbab. can. I can pay bills as directed, or as implied to be authorized under prior decisions. > Anyway, we indeed don't know what problems Lojban and Lojbanistan has so > such a position may be important at least during a limited time. In a > few months we can decide if it benefited the language and the community. That is in fact the problem with the Project Manager approach as I see it. The projects to be managed are generally amorphous, and seldom have more than one person actually working on them at any one time, so there is nothing to "manage". Very seldom have we had a project attract multiple volunteers who actually get around to doing something, and indeed most of the time, even the initial volunteer forgets that they did so, until asked to report on progress a year later. The intermittent postings by Pierre on trying to set up a Logfest are the height of activity, and yet no one is making enough of a commitment to actually make any decisions, not that it is clear who would make any decisions, should they be needed, since no one made any motions on the subject in this meeting, and the Board is inactive. The same is true for the NooLearning support effort. We have no leadership, and no volunteers. Someone in the community needs to push the matter for something to happen, and I find it almost impossible these days to multitrack Lojban efforts while trying to run the meeting. > Compare to other possible proposals: > 1. Use money to advertise Lojban. I'd be completely against it since > there isn't much to advertise (most advertisable things like books need > first to be updated or finalized). This is agreed. We need a published grammar, textbook and dictionary before the language is seriously marketable other than current word-of-mouth. > Well, still I think that spending money on Jbovlaste 2.0 might be > desirable. Although... again we don't have precise specifications of > what needs to be implemented in it. So yes, a project manager position > might be fine. Do we have workers who would need management, and would stick around long enough to get something done? A project manager who had the ability to get people to commit and follow through on their volunteer efforts would be worthwhile, but I think such a person would have to be a member of the community to make this possible. While Matt Arnold (who resigned earlier in the meeting) and I have had more than our share of disagreements, he and Robin Powell are the only ones I have seen able to get others to do things to help them out in a coordinated manner (you and selpa'i may have also done so, but I don't see the results so as to know for sure) > 2015-04-08 23:42 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Imami >: > > I don't have the details on how much we make. I would like to see > those numbers and then we can come to an agreeable amount that can > be paid. I will also do a bit more digging into the time > calculations. I may have mixed up my limiters. My financial side is > a bit... weak. I would guess that LLG gets around US$2000 per year in income, BUT this will likely drop off significantly when CLL 2nd edition comes out, and there probably aren't more than around 100 copies of the 1st edition book unsold. Lightning Source books, as I recall, are substantially cheaper than our 1st edition books, and we make corresponding much less on sales. I doubt that we will have $1000/yr income from sales, though we might be able to get more in donations. We have generally allocated $500-$1000 for expenses for LogFests. The bank account has more than $10K in it accumulated, that could allow us to make one-time expenditures than are more significant. However, real book publication (as opposed to POD publication with Lightning Source or other firm) would chew that up instantly. The original CLL publication was around $17K for a 1500 copy print run, of which only around 1250 ended up salable. lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members