Received: from localhost ([::1]:48986 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YiifF-0008T1-9e; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 05:13:01 -0700 Received: from mail-qg0-f43.google.com ([209.85.192.43]:34139) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yiien-0008SU-B2 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 05:12:59 -0700 Received: by qgfi89 with SMTP id i89so4352753qgf.1 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 05:12:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rHJMU8JUwAGAg9BP9mwLuSWW9qOj0882XZ6jmCGYvt4=; b=Je5bD3xRDDwQ+e3ZE3WXIn7h8dv0UIJjicEhQdpbQ33DbDm/D6AnXacNG32WBXU8OA qWh691IT5NedXKJzntQpwVIy9pLZJqZG3JgVoJNXB9ZSAnEXvjpd0xXEMQTAxhE3X4pi Ok9dwxpDj3bC06AZzdde9eQR9xikHMJ2aG53i0llAyAts/ue4ubMgob38qJeU4o9EDQb Vn5SuhmvfTAA7LS3nvhxF9q2QT/G4s+R1qugOS8/TixbDMlxoY0e7s1gcB/xBGSzEUiv A5OYSiyTvEOjGhUtUgEIQ0W6Gstj11Azx4h4FKqhGs/z1tbBnYCAvB+FQXrZij/fVruX w9xQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.91.18 with SMTP id y18mr36892868qgd.90.1429186347109; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 05:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.104.129 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 05:12:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5502321A.2050208@lojban.org> <551ADCFF.20709@lojban.org> <552CA608.50200@lojban.org> <552D0CC2.7080502@selpahi.de> <552DA91A.8090207@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 13:12:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: "llg-members@lojban.org" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] New Business: other topics X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3483266887994246885==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3483266887994246885== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113acf988993b00513d660e5 --001a113acf988993b00513d660e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> What has been proposed by far were indeed rivals to Lojban not better > than it. Although of course one might say "I don't like phonotactics" or "I > don't like the abundance of sound {x} in Lojban". Creating a > Lojban2NewLoglang converter would be trivial as I showed with Lojban <=> > TLI Loglan converter. > > The point is that all rival projects die. They never accumulate enough > mass to continue to be alive. This even happened to TLI Loglan itself. > Your criterion for rivalhood, for superiority and for livingness, namely having a community of speakers, is irrelevant to the scholarly purposes I had in mind, prompted by the LLG's mission statement. While it would also be of great service to the world to have an as-fit-for-purpose-as-possible loglang that is actually used by everyone who has use for a loglang, I think it would be counterproductive to try to bring a new loglang 'to life' before there are reasonable grounds for thinking it is as-fit-for-purpose-as-possible. --And. --001a113acf988993b00513d660e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <<= a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.= name@gmail.com> wrote:


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What has been proposed by far= were indeed rivals to Lojban not better than it. Although of course one mi= ght say "I don't like phonotactics" or "I don't like= the abundance of sound {x} in Lojban". Creating a Lojban2NewLoglang c= onverter would be trivial as I showed with Lojban <=3D> TLI Loglan co= nverter.

The point is that all rival projects die.= They never accumulate enough mass to continue to be alive. This even happe= ned to TLI Loglan itself.

Your criterion for rivalhood, for superiority and for livingness, na= mely having a community of speakers, is irrelevant to the scholarly purpose= s I had in mind, prompted by the LLG's mission statement.=C2=A0

While it would also be of great service to the world to h= ave an as-fit-for-purpose-as-possible loglang that is actually used by ever= yone who has use for a loglang, I think it would be counterproductive to tr= y to bring a new loglang 'to life' before there are reasonable grou= nds for thinking it is as-fit-for-purpose-as-possible.

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