Received: from localhost ([::1]:39574 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aCUnp-0008VZ-Tn; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 08:01:14 -0800 Received: from mail-io0-f172.google.com ([209.85.223.172]:34714) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aCUni-0008Uv-EQ for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 08:01:11 -0800 Received: by mail-io0-f172.google.com with SMTP id e126so262909243ioa.1 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 08:01:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ldeagg6J6YJSDDED0snH/xmMRIaI71of1vEfsPwob1I=; b=vKb/ctlOrpHFvO5EeK9no4gJEW4RRGIBeFuqjRdM8HnRCbLqXVo6UxzoZSc0q8ju4E 1YHYGc4ijOxxhFOOzxUSN7yiQOFKWLbCr079oAKUutM0SkrdBWwJgn3kgkN3BSAuTkjt KgRXZ/vcEf6WdaA4t+wakQThe2U3HkhWixc+ejqjcEFedec2CtpaPofh8SYlbYPb6O/0 S0VjFs6HlQyK8cpwVJlLnMSDhEclfs5ogYFHuiffmLvesuL/J09EpK23F5neYvv9fU11 UVIEUuEwVf2pxfAr2fPvr2tlEjGlzrGD/KAEvOd5PuAhRFgBZ6GBpTXy43ztAbGFGqxt p13Q== X-Received: by 10.107.137.67 with SMTP id l64mr37535973iod.102.1451059260089; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 08:01:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.112.14 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 08:00:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <4E514785-A922-4D75-B34A-EFB3880C5712@gmail.com> <566701E3.4060408@lojban.org> <566CD949.7010504@lojban.org> <5671E710.2020407@lojban.org> From: guskant Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org 2015-12-25 13:43 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2015-12-25 16:02 GMT+03:00 guskant : >> >> I cannot identify the questions you refer to. Could you list them up >> if you need any reply of me to them? > > > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/mQ-qWyjjssQ/discussion > > Since no one replied and no one posted a rival proposal then the github CLL > 2.0 branch is unofficial. > According to BPFK rules a decision can appear (if the required number of > votes is reached). > I see there four questions, but I was too lazy to reply to them. I'm sorry for that. I have no objection to your suggestion there, and I made also some comments on the github. I simply did not imagine that our laziness bring one of your various activities of dictatorship. I have realized that you have preference of procedure that is different from mine in detail, so we can continue here the discussion. 2015-12-25 13:43 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > this is an LLG thread btw. > Yes, and we discuss how the next version of CLL should be published, because the subject can be regarded as a kind of management. I suggested: 2015-12-17 3:26 GMT+00:00 guskant : > > I think byfy must be responsible for the contents of CLL, and LLG must be > responsible for the publication. > 2015-12-25 13:43 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > If the idea of observatives bothers you I would vote for introducing Quine's > observation sentences into the Red Book if someone does a job of explaining > them. > > If you need my personal opinion on {voi} I only commented it out without > even pushing requests to delete that section because personally I feel the > need in this particle. Again no rules so I intuitively did something. > I don't discuss each item on LLG list. I took those two only as an example of your dictatorship. 2015-12-25 13:43 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2015-12-25 16:02 GMT+03:00 guskant : >> >> OK, maybe I should have explained the process of push and pull. >> Anyway, your pushes were pulled, and "voi" and "observative" were >> removed as a result. >> It is true that you only commented them out, but that means those >> words will not appear in the book. > > > It means nothing. It's not an official branch, the process of merging pull > requests is not even regulated. > I commented them out to prevent any difficulties in restoring them if that > would be desirable. > As for observatives I sent them as proposals waiting for someone to > disagree. > If the CLL 2.0 branch is not a pre-official form, there are no problem, and I rather regret that pushes by the others would be vain. However, as I wrote, 2015-12-25 13:02 GMT+00:00 guskant : > > I recognize that CLL2.0 branch > https://github.com/lojban/cll/commits/docbook-prince-cll-2.0 > was and will be modified for the next official CLL. > 2015-12-25 13:43 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2015-12-25 16:02 GMT+03:00 guskant : >> >> My preference is that you only make comments to each line without >> doing that if the parts are not yet discussed by BPFK. >> Your preference is that you change all as you like and push (and those >> are currently mostly pulled), and after that, BPFK will discuss the >> validity. >> We can discuss the procedure here. I will obey the majority. > > > Here? By LLG? Yes, because the subject originated in the publication of the next version of CLL, though I don't insist on continuing it if the others are not interested in. Actually, we have not yet reached even the conclusion if the contents of CLL must be managed by BPFK; I suggested it in my first post in this thread. > Ok, what do others think? > Personally I refrain from voting because either decision is fine to me. > > Also as for xorlo "commenting to each line" would be hard since xorlo can > mean reworking larger sections of the book. Some necessary sections/examples > simply don't exist yet. Others can change their internal structure totally. xorlo has been official since 2004. I don't demand "commenting to each line" for the official decision. By the way, I will be soon off the internet for several days. mu'o mi'e la guskant _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members