Received: from localhost ([::1]:38931 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aEY58-0007mq-VG; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:55:35 -0800 Received: from smtp.hughes.net ([69.168.97.48]:47444) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aEY51-0007lw-1I for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:55:33 -0800 X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=AP42JC7R c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=5n1d6GSJGnnyfnXdd0Hfiw==:117 a=5n1d6GSJGnnyfnXdd0Hfiw==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=8ggJXkvBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=wUQvQvOEmiQA:10 a=8wnhQgqANqPN47rHoaEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com header.from=phma@leaf.dragonflybsd.org; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=phma@leaf.dragonflybsd.org; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=phma; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 174.109.123.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of leaf.dragonflybsd.org) Received: from [174.109.123.133] ([174.109.123.133:36893] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id F5/C6-13212-66FD4865; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 02:55:20 -0500 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6823C7BCB for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 02:55:16 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: llg-members@lojban.org Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 02:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <8417352.OZs0BEeQn5@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-74-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <9AC7ACDB-A395-4564-8340-20876DAB07CA@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On Monday, December 28, 2015 20:34:36 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Note that although that is desirable we can't please everyone. > It's imo indeed bad to use a pseudo-English terminology not matching > established terminology neither in linguistics, nor in logic, nor in > programming. In particular, the term "modal" is used in the CLL to mean a preposition semantically derived from a brivla (or from "co'e" in the case of "do'e"). In linguistics, "modal" means words like "ka'e". I suggest that we find terms that have been used in grammars of languages with similar features. I don't know of any natlang that has an indefinitely long series of argument places instead of a morphosyntactic alignment, but there are other omnipredicative languages (not many), languages with quotatives (e.g. Sanskrit, though only the end of a quotation is marked), and languages with predicate markers (e.g. Tok Pisin). I'd also like to see a grammar of Lojban in Lojban, aimed at schoolchildren who already speak Lojban. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members