Received: from localhost ([::1]:41462 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aEfmz-00067W-IO; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:09:21 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:37602) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aEfms-00066X-C0 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:09:19 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id f206so115888304wmf.0 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:09:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ixlPAAK/CDrB1IwcklLfx0BiAcpNliZCsD80LajrloA=; b=Zq7NPF73O+pGUkfad1jB6MEp3Ok7GvWMWe67cFYWZI+EfAm0IooI9ImUomvhPWLJgH 3uJoUqGZPxI+lq695Eug2UrcJjwG+bbFQAsh2q4Iz/yjqU0h5uJVhpnnFbRqEc6RLqDW F9UM6enIU68+ln7aScnT/5M6EhSjNSgOCUXFvoULRFbg3px6fgFScyPSKBw1mk8g8RGh sfthoGan/rEoebR/hKAzgDoWO+cxSS0PI+/byz7xlf0+Wo3gwaBR5B0BO5/q+9rJmKO5 /zqdK+XbnIKtUfGYz1s0Jr8EpG9CjGeeRSKPWnfOLzAfD4mgrToWATDSzvHG52g/+q0M MUHg== X-Received: by 10.194.77.137 with SMTP id s9mr16091897wjw.171.1451578147499; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:09:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.92.136 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151231155537.GA26307@mercury.ccil.org> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <9AC7ACDB-A395-4564-8340-20876DAB07CA@gmail.com> <8417352.OZs0BEeQn5@caracal> <20151231133103.GA20974@mercury.ccil.org> <20151231142416.GB20974@mercury.ccil.org> <20151231155537.GA26307@mercury.ccil.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 19:08:28 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] "Modal" X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3916380843181393807==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3916380843181393807== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0d2ecd877b5052833df5c --047d7bf0d2ecd877b5052833df5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-12-31 18:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan : > Gleki Arxokuna scripsit: > > > If there is an agreement on not using "modal" and using {lo sumtcita} > then > > it's kinda style used in Wave Lessons. > > People can, of course, do what they like. However, I see "sumtcita" as > the name of a role that le cmavo be zo BAI have, rather than a description > of > the class they belong to. The distinction is of course an essentialist > one. > you want a word for BAI only? I think some possible solutions in an English text: 1. clearly name them particles of class BAI, BAI-particles or BAI-cmavo 2. for lojban names bai zei cmavo, cmavrbai are possible. I think it's important to let the reader understand where in formal grammar a given construct belong. This is a problem with CLL in general where the first part of the book isn't strictly bound to the last chapters with formal grammars. Many rules of formal grammar still don't have lojban names although this is the job for BPFK. > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > .e'osai ko sarji la lojban. > Please support Lojban! http://www.lojban.org > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7bf0d2ecd877b5052833df5c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-12-31 18:55 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org= >:
Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:

> If there is an agreement on not using "modal" and using {lo = sumtcita} then
> it's kinda style used in Wave Lessons.

People can, of course, do what they like.=C2=A0 However, I see "= ;sumtcita" as
the name of a role that le cmavo be zo BAI have, rather than a description = of
the class they belong to.=C2=A0 The distinction is of course an essentialis= t one.

you want a word for BAI only? I = think some possible solutions in an English text:
1. clearly name= them particles of class BAI, BAI-particles or BAI-cmavo
2. for l= ojban names bai zei cmavo, cmavrbai are possible.

= I think it's important to let the reader understand where in formal gra= mmar a given construct belong.

This is a problem w= ith CLL in general where the first part of the book isn't strictly boun= d to the last chapters with formal grammars.

Many = rules of formal grammar still don't have lojban names although this is = the job for BPFK.


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