Received: from localhost ([::1]:50796 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aFEDX-0007Ga-Oe; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:55:03 -0800 Received: from mail-qg0-f54.google.com ([209.85.192.54]:36247) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aFEDQ-0007Fc-Ps for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:55:02 -0800 Received: by mail-qg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id e32so132608700qgf.3 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:54:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=disposition-notification-to:return-receipt-to:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=BeLD/bCrJWLCajxpJddXCycBML5gSp0BBp+ms6S9t6s=; b=paLqD4G0mOS/+1menUF17j1wlf/QR9q/mAZNcWfS4awCD5DeDQ5nXEBmCbx8cDHUQT vqVOPIWAIsLnBeQgmkbuU5ootkuq+1ozhILnYNNXwyoOexXPZMT8gWeZZ0QmBh0OFEz2 ruJbAsmIoB6hv7qlehpZG4QyRfdzV8mNHIoi2VCZBw+Xoh7YZQ1va7gfJa0yHSj9LVPj aYVm4fw44OUjng84JLMmi2uX68q6p0czadx5F33OQRBjCxSB23W+gArXVlZ5fHmX+O15 Y7zsqromTZWL26sQwh/bSHmU0FQtnqRaBWNWa01HcAJA++rNt5IwZM8ukBth+Kux4KrN dNsw== X-Received: by 10.140.158.4 with SMTP id e4mr107996338qhe.81.1451710490579; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:5c0:c000:25f9:facf:c5ff:fea0:db80? ([2601:5c0:c000:25f9:facf:c5ff:fea0:db80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r39sm7370473qkr.46.2016.01.01.20.54.49 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:54:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4792257.kehd9opElC@caracal> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <5671E710.2020407@lojban.org> <4792257.kehd9opElC@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 23:04:29 -0500 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: <6F3A9810-5284-486A-9BF4-9E0D69A1DA64@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1281986611124712543==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1281986611124712543== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----QJTI83OVIVDZLPQXNMJ80HZ3I142GT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------QJTI83OVIVDZLPQXNMJ80HZ3I142GT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am sorry only the first sentence of my post was included. Here are my comments without the original post to which I was replying. I am most concerned about the effects I see resulting from requiring that members speak lojban. I see two issues here. First, we as members are supposed to represent those people interested in lojban, as I have always understood it. This population is a combination of those actively learning and/or learning lojban, those interested in the structural and philosophical aspects of it such as in what ways it is and is not culturally neutral, supporters of the language and language community who ate unable or uninterested in actually studying it, and the curious newcomers. If membership had a language requirement than we wouldn't be representative of it constituents. My second angle on this question has to do with sheer numbers. If there is a requirement of regular lojban use for membership that greatly limits the. Number of people available for such a position. I suspect is it would be difficult to get enough people interested without significant overlap with bufu. I also discussed the issue of increasing member involvement and I strongly support this idea. Not only would an increased to ties between members and the rest of the community, it will also make our distance more visible. One aspect of this is we could be particularly effective in is as advocates in the outside world, particularly those of us who are not fluent because we can show that it really isn't scary. ------QJTI83OVIVDZLPQXNMJ80HZ3I142GT Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am sorry only the first sentence of my post was included. Here are my comments without the original post to which I was replying.

I am most concerned about the effects I see resulting from requiring that members speak lojban. I see two issues here. First, we as members are supposed to represent those people interested in lojban, as I have always understood it. This population is a combination of those actively learning and/or learning lojban, those interested in the structural and philosophical aspects of it such as in what ways it is and is not culturally neutral, supporters of the language and language community who ate unable or uninterested in actually studying it, and the curious newcomers. If membership had a language requirement than we wouldn't be representative of it constituents.

My second angle on this question has to do with sheer numbers. If there is a requirement of regular lojban use for membership that greatly limits the. Number of people available for such a position. I suspect is it would be difficult to get enough people interested without significant overlap with bufu.

I also discussed the issue of increasing member involvement and I strongly support this idea. Not only would an increased to ties between members and the rest of the community, it will also make our distance more visible. One aspect of this is we could be particularly effective in is as advocates in the outside world, particularly those of us who are not fluent because we can show that it really isn't scary. ------QJTI83OVIVDZLPQXNMJ80HZ3I142GT-- --===============1281986611124712543== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --===============1281986611124712543==--