Received: from localhost ([::1]:59957 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aG0do-0005wh-U1; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:37:24 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com ([74.125.82.42]:37332) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aG0dT-0005uI-GG for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:37:23 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id f206so202156859wmf.0 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:37:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=+e9TYOo+1/Ye1WyW2a6Jl9bvgdj4DuRnMXtjBwKk5bg=; b=UPqXQDxZz4yqd5wxzE+aoWc5Jwj6S6Zk3SAnEPnyk3ftcQNEQI9pLH4SZj2ae+arit kaPZqmjfedeoAnvj917ELnn82hz2VZE/mXPLYof0Cpg9bdJLApvckXU/cZLB4izdh5QT ou3mKbDXLXX7w7NpmMJkp497Evp6Fwx6JeEMrf00abs7CFdWhfZTc8i9dHROUfgoyoeS Dl5RwbwsQwDf3wPNQMnAECegnvrnBlHERcESfBtPIGgfLxqCa3NA3aWf3poOsAj0mJc+ Z48934do+GwnuvWVwROGj+A/++wmb15gdjh88d8zXKBSlq7G24bMppwNoRD7TahTFkJY Y5pQ== X-Received: by 10.28.0.79 with SMTP id 76mr66004713wma.27.1451896616813; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:36:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.92.136 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 00:36:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <29657176.PZYJ2CWSdF@caracal> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <20151231142416.GB20974@mercury.ccil.org> <29657176.PZYJ2CWSdF@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:36:17 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] "Modal" X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3839505878455917257==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3839505878455917257== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113c70e21889a905287e06f3 --001a113c70e21889a905287e06f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-01-04 7:59 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Monday, January 04, 2016 03:09:58 guskant wrote: > > I'm not fluent in English, but I have impression that "preposition" > > may include all tags BAI, PU, FAhA and so on. I agree that the use of > > the word "modal" is a source of misunderstanding, and that some proper > > explanation for BAI is necessary for the purpose of linguist-friendly > > description on the language, though we don't need any words other than > > "BAI" for BAI for the purpose of language design itself. > > "Preposition" does indeed include tense markers (PU, FAhA, ZI, VA, etc.) as > well as BAI, which I call "proper prepositions". I don't consider FA to be > prepositions Neither would I. Despite its extreme similarity to BAI. It's better to first invent correct words encompassing needed lo selma'o or lo selma'okle. {cmavrfa} or {fa zei cmavo} or just "particles of FA series" is a better alternative. But one needs to add "particles of FA series work LIKE prepositions". > , but I'm willing to entertain a quibble based on Spanish "a", > which tags personal (or animate) direct objects as well as (animate or > inanimate) indirect objects, and is also a preposition meaning "at" or > "to". > > Some languages have postpositions or other kinds of adpositions. These are > also covered by the term "sumtcita". > > Pierre > > -- > ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a113c70e21889a905287e06f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-01-04 7:59 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@leaf.dragonflybs= d.org>:
On= Monday, January 04, 2016 03:09:58 guskant wrote:
> I'm not fluent in English, but I have impression that "prepos= ition"
> may include all tags BAI, PU, FAhA and so on. I agree that the use of<= br> > the word "modal" is a source of misunderstanding, and that s= ome proper
> explanation for BAI is necessary for the purpose of linguist-friendly<= br> > description on the language, though we don't need any words other = than
> "BAI" for BAI for the purpose of language design itself.

"Preposition" does indeed include tense markers (PU, FAhA,= ZI, VA, etc.) as
well as BAI, which I call "proper prepositions". I don't cons= ider FA to be
prepositions

Neither would I. Despite its e= xtreme similarity to BAI.

It's better to first= invent correct words encompassing needed lo selma'o or lo selma'ok= le.

{cmavrfa} or {fa zei cmavo} or just "part= icles of FA series" is a better alternative.
But one needs t= o add "particles of FA series work LIKE prepositions".
=
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, but I'm wil= ling to entertain a quibble based on Spanish "a",
which tags personal (or animate) direct objects as well as (animate or
inanimate) indirect objects, and is also a preposition meaning "at&quo= t; or "to".

Some languages have postpositions or other kinds of adpositions. These are<= br> also covered by the term "sumtcita".

Pierre

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ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji


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