Received: from localhost ([::1]:46329 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ9JT-0001sb-77; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 19:43:31 -0800 Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com ([209.85.223.177]:36119) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ9JQ-0001sN-QM for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 19:43:29 -0800 Received: by mail-io0-f177.google.com with SMTP id l127so110072744iof.3 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 19:43:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HPfjRAKqvjBOg3+Y4CHmHQafuEkaI0aLeWAgJD2VHyE=; b=t55DRZDg5kxGt4MmodFcAQId9Qf8JbdXtYZa4dz47kduZ/xAsEJbdfPGNhTNqWiPzy W1Tpxeiilvz5WL+vf5g+eOIbhIrtO6ChEjCzCB3qqueOM7v6haabNmv4JW5b5MdkcLws 6PCyKaJjGsPpjqLpk7jX34FWtiGLL6Ykp0bKLeTxajEQvI4Ad2pmMO/cjHQl/wmHJ1mo K/3YNgpaf4rIID0sm5oAXxpU7/EECukgS3+js5KLiR3nXC1WMoF3Qs5NxA9wJ006cv9Y B2jc2l78xFy9c31mS9gjzZ27zEqORpKYNQvccKt6Sx4n4gA+mepCeDZ+9fMJdz6vwpnC 0J1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=HPfjRAKqvjBOg3+Y4CHmHQafuEkaI0aLeWAgJD2VHyE=; b=hXtCdCYwXN6dLI/ArrgNV1WcRAO04SXA/2QredF9Abg6yWgrroL5/R5KN3bKsfy7pp bJkUnHSr6EhKkxdOZuNnQmF3KMYcDSp7eXr+vHrLhn9QQrSexGjuuXskqlPHJSrOAyBC WVWzZS6Q5qvSJ/a2LJmSoNxMCgbI5abeBnjMYXzphwJq4Kfu6WTQ6BKCe1x/2sZNefRy boZBnqVycg51BinC3GjiJkR1OW+cw3GNKMTzRlJc6gQCcQFKSUyd2V2Hdu7nxnpCTDAu 0dERDgoTHAguy6/1S5PfqvT+5y4xlljepJ0gf6t2MGbcSD1nWXkPGl9fsnYL9I8xkgUf jsjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQo5e7+Qsky87VAm2ND/X+HjX4bxncvUDdivdaGnQF9jbLYcSviUFEhsbo/WRyecjQOAed4hRpm5VJc4w== X-Received: by 10.107.168.29 with SMTP id r29mr6745467ioe.12.1456458202800; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 19:43:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56C1998B.5050005@lojban.org> <82DDFA36-4BF2-44E7-AF8A-8A810E50EE0A@gmail.com> <56CCA114.90203@lojban.org> <56CF474A.4030009@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <56CF474A.4030009@lojban.org> From: Craig Daniel Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 03:43:12 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] LLG Annual Meeting - Board Election X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7137177038692306479==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7137177038692306479== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11425fb6cee6f6052ca419ef --001a11425fb6cee6f6052ca419ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the alternative is failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be to not. I think the Lojban community would be better served by a board comprised in the main of active users of the language, and consider literally every LLG member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year and is willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat. But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and if I'm necessary, here I stand. - mi'e .kreig. On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 PM Bob LeChevalier wrote: > On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo > > casnu). > > > > We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in > > corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to > > someone at some point. At present mukti could possibly do the job in > > addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against that, > > since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my burnout > > in the 90s. We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person to hold > > multiple offices. (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I had to > > do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing > > annual meeting minutes). We need someone to serve as Vice President, > > preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had. > > > > ---------------------- > > > > So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they accept my > > nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or > nominations. > > > > I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless there > > is a request for more time. > > I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since > "Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days. > > Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to > keep the deadline open until next Monday. > > If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to > lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do > much of anything towards any goals whatsoever. > > I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an > organization once I no longer lead it. I'm not entirely sure that > enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying to > organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to > communicate and interact. > > lojbab > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a11425fb6cee6f6052ca419ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the = alternative is failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be = to not. I think the Lojban community would be better served by a board comp= rised in the main of active users of the language, and consider literally e= very LLG member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year = and is willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat.

But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and i= f I'm necessary, here I stand.

- mi'e .kreig.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 = PM=C2=A0Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@loj= ban.org> wrote:
On 2/23/2016= 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo > casnu).
>
> We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in
> corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to
> someone at some point.=C2=A0 At present mukti could possibly do the jo= b in
> addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against that= ,
> since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my burnout=
> in the 90s.=C2=A0 We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person = to hold
> multiple offices.=C2=A0 (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I = had to
> do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing > annual meeting minutes).=C2=A0 We need someone to serve as Vice Presid= ent,
> preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had.
>
> ----------------------
>
> So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they accept = my
> nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or nominati= ons.
>
> I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless ther= e
> is a request for more time.

I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since
"Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days.
Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to
keep the deadline open until next Monday.

If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to
lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do
much of anything towards any goals whatsoever.

I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an
organization once I no longer lead it.=C2=A0 I'm not entirely sure that=
enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying to organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to
communicate and interact.

lojbab


_______________________________________________
Llg-members mailing list
Llg-members@loj= ban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-membe= rs
--001a11425fb6cee6f6052ca419ef-- --===============7137177038692306479== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --===============7137177038692306479==--