Received: from localhost ([::1]:59691 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aa2WE-0008JY-7c; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 06:40:22 -0800 Received: from mail-ig0-f170.google.com ([209.85.213.170]:38173) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aa2W5-0008Hv-D3 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 06:40:17 -0800 Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id y8so63120120igp.1 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 06:40:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=THwg4B3WyiACDBTCzxNkGUFJjhIp5wh7Yonw/RCE6Sg=; b=JCpLxRks4fb69CRecIR3jS5dSk/Db37fp3qN9SUtatbzRf4y0674jhMsedz7J+sSTM +YhJm7WdEemKdJa+Xu6+QiNSu4ThUlzWxf4EbMmOXaTGkwIBdc78mIfgXCaIBTd9ruku OxijUQbZQ7WDNM879anTji5utfgls3H/Qe0xYJMGa+WPsXYPFbCHgjaWt5CKvhWCI05D XBJDJ5mrfd8zAnWi2AufhnsuClQwHWKg7WWX5lCU4SG2qqU8A0HjEIw7l6tupIoof4Sw bAyVEVVJ7HwgAAdXBmWaeufd3DY1sbtpcknk4gkdcMFhAhLCOgw9oxWhKkTrqBlKUEoj cD/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=THwg4B3WyiACDBTCzxNkGUFJjhIp5wh7Yonw/RCE6Sg=; b=UQ9aUu/MgWDuJjksRIbEG5DEgftOeJOC7lq9DKz9PNhfCwSmVrCZ9HlING+jms4/PO olCOJKfI8TyVu/HteFlrjWbHRVgCeB1xSKPZRMlz6MJoXM+a8GtE6ol66Cc+K+1jiNPk Z1Z1IQqKIO7/0JrXy/dfA9cJkH1KEo4SWRBXR8/NAqnNN9G08wLXKwzv/ORMCjtCYx85 CvV+r5r89VU1pzpUUayc6f0eYoA7o4vKAeloQrY6AEoDxxA8rHr/iIe6fkRKKyKrdvSs s6ESXlnUCgHGGbIWYZL+tT24fVbN/BCevirwWu9hCbwuGouPRyzhXYAZw1fCPk43MN+p Hm3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJEMj9elSGRYryhlrorSPH6XShviC7DA4CaOaBIVzXbRG4+/G1RjQn/YheKEo/QeX1jlRJCTkoMMQPg4w== X-Received: by 10.50.124.42 with SMTP id mf10mr5903717igb.79.1456670406769; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 06:40:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56C1998B.5050005@lojban.org> <82DDFA36-4BF2-44E7-AF8A-8A810E50EE0A@gmail.com> <56CCA114.90203@lojban.org> <56CF474A.4030009@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: From: Craig Daniel Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 14:39:57 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] LLG Annual Meeting - Board Election X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3764990292869243899==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3764990292869243899== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111d41e2683c5052cd5829b --089e0111d41e2683c5052cd5829b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I don't think everybody on the board should have to be. I do think that the LLG's task is to serve the community of language users, and that if it's substantially detached from that community the board will be bad at directing that. On Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 2:43 PM Karen Stein wrote: > I disagree that all members of the Board should be active lojban users. In > fact having people invested in the continuance and improvement of this > project who are not provides more variety of perspectives. > > karis > > > On February 25, 2016 10:43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel > wrote: >> >> Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the alternative is >> failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be to not. I think >> the Lojban community would be better served by a board comprised in the >> main of active users of the language, and consider literally every LLG >> member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year and is >> willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat. >> >> But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and if I'm necessary, >> here I stand. >> >> - mi'e .kreig. >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 PM Bob LeChevalier wrote: >> >>> On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >>> > We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo >>> > casnu). >>> > >>> > We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in >>> > corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to >>> > someone at some point. At present mukti could possibly do the job in >>> > addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against that, >>> > since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my burnout >>> > in the 90s. We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person to >>> hold >>> > multiple offices. (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I had to >>> > do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing >>> > annual meeting minutes). We need someone to serve as Vice President, >>> > preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had. >>> > >>> > ---------------------- >>> > >>> > So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they accept >>> my >>> > nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or >>> nominations. >>> > >>> > I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless there >>> > is a request for more time. >>> >>> I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since >>> "Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days. >>> >>> Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to >>> keep the deadline open until next Monday. >>> >>> If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to >>> lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do >>> much of anything towards any goals whatsoever. >>> >>> I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an >>> organization once I no longer lead it. I'm not entirely sure that >>> enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying to >>> organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to >>> communicate and interact. >>> >>> lojbab >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --089e0111d41e2683c5052cd5829b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think everybody on the board should have to be. I do think that= the LLG's task is to serve the community of language users, and that i= f it's substantially detached from that community the board will be bad= at directing that.

On S= at, Feb 27, 2016, 2:43 PM=C2=A0Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree that all members of the Board should be acti= ve lojban users. In fact having people invested in the continuance and impr= ovement of this project who are not provides more variety of perspectives.<= br>
karis


On February 25, 2016 10:= 43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the = alternative is failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be = to not. I think the Lojban community would be better served by a board comp= rised in the main of active users of the language, and consider literally e= very LLG member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year = and is willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat.

But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and i= f I'm necessary, here I stand.

- mi'e .kreig.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 = PM=C2=A0Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo > casnu).
>
> We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in
> corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to
> someone at some point.=C2=A0 At present mukti could possibly do the jo= b in
> addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against that= ,
> since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my burnout=
> in the 90s.=C2=A0 We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person = to hold
> multiple offices.=C2=A0 (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I = had to
> do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing > annual meeting minutes).=C2=A0 We need someone to serve as Vice Presid= ent,
> preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had.
>
> ----------------------
>
> So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they accept = my
> nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or nominati= ons.
>
> I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless ther= e
> is a request for more time.

I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since
"Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days.
Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to
keep the deadline open until next Monday.

If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to
lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do
much of anything towards any goals whatsoever.

I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an
organization once I no longer lead it.=C2=A0 I'm not entirely sure that=
enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying to organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to
communicate and interact.

lojbab


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