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Curtis, would you like to second? > > > > I=E2=80=99m referring specifically to BPFK=E2=80=99s clarification of t= he rules for > cmevla: > > > > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_cmevla > > > > "All cmevla must begin and end with a pause or glottal stop, regardless > of grammatical context. The syllables la, lai, la'i and doi are no longer > subject to special restrictions inside cmevla.=E2=80=9D > > > > I cannot second it at this point since gleki beat me to it, but I do vote > in favor of this proposal (if I may do so; if not, I express my emphatic > support for it). > it's dichotomy here. you can second something that is already second. > If the chair of BPFK would accept re-appointment to that position, I > would also like ask that we vote to recognize his leadership for another > term. I am personally grateful for his work in bringing people together > over the last year, and for achieving the long-discussed goal of holding > deliberations in lojban. > > > > > Once that business is on the way, I=E2=80=99d like to share a few ideas= about > the idea of sustaining membership. But I think that may be a longer, > meeting-spanning discussion, and these two items =E2=80=93 recognizing th= e BPFK=E2=80=99s > work, and reauthorizing its chair =E2=80=93 need to happen now. > > > > =E2=80=94Riley > > > > > On Mar 10, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Bob LeChevalier > wrote: > > > > > > We are now into Old Business. Known old business topics include > > > A) BPFK status, goals, and reappointing (or not) the BPFK jatna > > > B) partly subsidiary to that is the republication of CLL, both the > Robin edition (anyone know the current status?) and whatever the next > version is after that. This issue was raised with respect to the github > repository. > > > C) the effort led nominally by Pierre to set up some sort of skills > testing for Lojbanists > > > D) we've never done anything about it, but we still have the > possibility, now authorized in the bylaws, to establish "sustaining" > memberships (nonvoting) to gain some additional funding. Of course, we > need to find something worth spending the money on - nothing has been hig= h > enough priority so far. (There will be some new proposals under New > Business that could cost more money than we currently take in.) > > > > > > > > > For the first two topics, I personally would like the jatna's take on= : > > > 1) whether the PEG grammar or the YACC grammar is the > official/baseline one right now. > > > 2) What, if any, parser is considered official, or at least compliant > with whatever the official grammar is. > > > 3) As I've previously noted, it seems that what used to be the > baselined (and thus not changing) gismu and cmavo lists have been replace= d > by new lists which include a whole lot of new stuff, possibly experimenta= l > (but there is no defined experimental space for gismu). It seems that to > some people, a large number of experimental cmavo have become part of the= ir > standard dialect. Does byfy have a plan for addressing these > proposals/changes and deciding that some are officially approved (and > therefore need to be documented in CLL and on the BYFY cmavo pages). > > > 4) the jatna said that there were 8 byfy members, including And. Who > are the others and how were/are they determined (in case someone wants to > join)? I know for example that I am still on the byfy list and never > resigned. But I also make no attempt to keep up with the business, which > is entirely in Lojban. Though I probably could read a single message if = I > felt it important enough, I doubt that I have the time/interest to keep u= p > with the discussion. So am I one of the 8, but always abstaining? > > > 5) Does producing a published dictionary fit anywhere in the byfy > plans, or is this an LLG project relatively independent of the byfy (the > answer to 3) above is relevant, and I think that byfy would need to produ= ce > real dictionary definitions of the cmavo to at least replace those found = in > the old cmavo list - this was after all one of the original reasons for > setting up the BPFK - because I couldn't come up with good definitions an= d > the dictionary was never published as a result.) > > > > > > The floor is open for discussion of these topics and/or other things > that might be considered Old Business (discussed in previous meetings bei= ng > the key factor). Please use subject lines to keep things straight if > multiple topics are being discussed. > > > > > > Motions, including a motion to reappoint/confirm the jatna until the > next meeting, and to officially ratify the byfy approval of "dotside", ar= e > in order. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Llg-members mailing list > > > Llg-members@lojban.org > > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Llg-members mailing list > > Llg-members@lojban.org > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a1148bcf0edf721052e5716a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-03-18 21:13 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:
<= p dir=3D"ltr">
On Mar 18, 2016 10:26, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> Since we may now vote to affirm BPFK=E2=80=99s findings on =E2=80=9Cdo= tside=E2=80=9D, I move that we do so. Curtis, would you like to second?
>
> I=E2=80=99m referring specifically to BPFK=E2=80=99s clarification of = the rules for cmevla:
>
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_cmevla
>
> "All cmevla must begin and end with a pause or glottal stop, rega= rdless of grammatical context. The syllables la, lai, la'i and doi are = no longer subject to special restrictions inside cmevla.=E2=80=9D
>

I cannot second it at this point since gleki beat me = to it, but I do vote in favor of this proposal (if I may do so; if not, I e= xpress my emphatic support for it).


it's dichotomy here. you can second something that is already second.<= /div>

> If the chair of BPFK would accept re-appointment to tha= t position, I would also like ask that we vote to recognize his leadership = for another term. I am personally grateful for his work in bringing people = together over the last year, and for achieving the long-discussed goal of h= olding deliberations in lojban.
>

> Once that business is on the way, I=E2=80=99d like to s= hare a few ideas about the idea of sustaining membership. But I think that = may be a longer, meeting-spanning discussion, and these two items =E2=80=93= recognizing the BPFK=E2=80=99s work, and reauthorizing its chair =E2=80=93= need to happen now.
>
> =E2=80=94Riley
>
> > On Mar 10, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> >
> > We are now into Old Business.=C2=A0 Known old business topics inc= lude
> > A) BPFK status, goals, and reappointing (or not) the BPFK jatna > > B) partly subsidiary to that is the republication of CLL, both th= e Robin edition (anyone know the current status?) and whatever the next ver= sion is after that.=C2=A0 This issue was raised with respect to the github = repository.
> > C) the effort led nominally by Pierre to set up some sort of skil= ls testing for Lojbanists
> > D) we've never done anything about it, but we still have the = possibility, now authorized in the bylaws, to establish "sustaining&qu= ot; memberships (nonvoting) to gain some additional funding.=C2=A0 Of cours= e, we need to find something worth spending the money on - nothing has been= high enough priority so far.=C2=A0 (There will be some new proposals under= New Business that could cost more money than we currently take in.)
> >
> >
> > For the first two topics, I personally would like the jatna's= take on:
> > 1) whether the PEG grammar or the YACC grammar is the official/ba= seline one right now.
> > 2) What, if any, parser is considered official, or at least compl= iant with whatever the official grammar is.
> > 3) As I've previously noted, it seems that what used to be th= e baselined (and thus not changing) gismu and cmavo lists have been replace= d by new lists which include a whole lot of new stuff, possibly experimenta= l (but there is no defined experimental space for gismu).=C2=A0 It seems th= at to some people, a large number of experimental cmavo have become part of= their standard dialect.=C2=A0 Does byfy have a plan for addressing these p= roposals/changes and deciding that some are officially approved (and theref= ore need to be documented in CLL and on the BYFY cmavo pages).
> > 4) the jatna said that there were 8 byfy members, including And.= =C2=A0 Who are the others and how were/are they determined (in case someone= wants to join)?=C2=A0 I know for example that I am still on the byfy list = and never resigned.=C2=A0 But I also make no attempt to keep up with the bu= siness, which is entirely in Lojban.=C2=A0 Though I probably could read a s= ingle message if I felt it important enough, I doubt that I have the time/i= nterest to keep up with the discussion.=C2=A0 So am I one of the 8, but alw= ays abstaining?
> > 5) Does producing a published dictionary fit anywhere in the byfy= plans, or is this an LLG project relatively independent of the byfy (the a= nswer to 3) above is relevant, and I think that byfy would need to produce = real dictionary definitions of the cmavo to at least replace those found in= the old cmavo list - this was after all one of the original reasons for se= tting up the BPFK - because I couldn't come up with good definitions an= d the dictionary was never published as a result.)
> >
> > The floor is open for discussion of these topics and/or other thi= ngs that might be considered Old Business (discussed in previous meetings b= eing the key factor).=C2=A0 Please use subject lines to keep things straigh= t if multiple topics are being discussed.
> >
> > Motions, including a motion to reappoint/confirm the jatna until = the next meeting, and to officially ratify the byfy approval of "dotsi= de", are in order.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Llg-members mailing list
> > Llg-m= embers@lojban.org
> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Llg-members mailing list
> Llg-member= s@lojban.org
> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members


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