Received: from localhost ([::1]:50272 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1agzmc-0001MB-Ct; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:10:02 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f44.google.com ([209.85.213.44]:33582) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1agzmW-0001Lz-Mp for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:10:00 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id k1so153466108vkb.0 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=hjz54nil86N+aW9faVWRwRdhAzJXAyIX66UlBF2tSRc=; b=Pa/D4crILbt02RYfRWIvsPllYbAx+f5W+HafrH53WYWRlMyPRAkwEs3Qxiu3rLDMXI b98dS4T6hH+XpzLgWrkH4VzDBYdj5iXWJRsWTgIYx9/3tGK9EHVhFR1fxr9RCSLOeSDI 5DhU4GozdQfWh9azZ+kpMwzt1RfdHr4B3LI1L4yba6PYD15qF4ZhdNZPy6VbeDRFP/Pk 0lcG45gHaKMauQRBdoVz3ITbOauqu2mMg822gWQHK9VW3v9pJzmNBLeMe3K4XkhtlOE5 8f/2AUrslDoDieGVW3Xa9qVC8P6d5nrWBVGdGOS6hlMdmHXKwt3Wfacj0UfOWWzYasu5 lAZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=hjz54nil86N+aW9faVWRwRdhAzJXAyIX66UlBF2tSRc=; b=BrXaUNG0ggfAOUxfL+V25zgG5RSauFZibOLjoVXUYXiQ0JN0IS4CG7qpwq3hpqjjKA GZ0jqKe1yuvW9nPy7oVp8ufH93gGpIfXhGRqBzNKctM5Q4RUJWVhdLtT5FEk3ID++f9p 4EOFb9O73DHZVQND6Bun+nfk6pAu74tpy1YPnMqn0OS2c622MkcIt+wSwuTRQrEuPYlH DzOzadejdiGqO5WD9uEHTaiMc56u6ykw85j+MnVpUaA/hCOesHlv1jeVQUmYhO6oOyIz AbGlqDJtCxk6ozo9w/UZmIvy8YNfJGGHWprp5QXTR2+yoY7crvgTe8nBlEMaSEE/DKlQ u7Jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJ9hV5oL6EH1j/SccHsVvgDDUqz01Lw6ifz/Ad3Z0mtw8LYjhLmMflymQbCkkO80r1wxbMvsqgyxH6DpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.180.85 with SMTP id d82mr16528326vkf.83.1458328190447; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.38.135 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.38.135 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56DE1D83.8050901@lojban.org> <8EC7FC36-8C8F-43FD-AE6A-C704D1D9C2CE@gmail.com> <12678381.nPyR9sEY1K@caracal> <56E0AE11.8020708@lojban.org> <56E1F54E.3040501@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 15:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: Curtis Franks To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting - Old Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1233309879412446262==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1233309879412446262== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114382cec1f6bc052e577d80 --001a114382cec1f6bc052e577d80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not sure what the purpose of that is, but I do so. On Mar 18, 2016 14:41, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > 2016-03-18 21:13 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > >> >> On Mar 18, 2016 10:26, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" >> wrote: >> > >> > Since we may now vote to affirm BPFK=E2=80=99s findings on =E2=80=9Cdo= tside=E2=80=9D, I move >> that we do so. Curtis, would you like to second? >> > >> > I=E2=80=99m referring specifically to BPFK=E2=80=99s clarification of = the rules for >> cmevla: >> > >> > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_cmevla >> > >> > "All cmevla must begin and end with a pause or glottal stop, regardles= s >> of grammatical context. The syllables la, lai, la'i and doi are no longe= r >> subject to special restrictions inside cmevla.=E2=80=9D >> > >> >> I cannot second it at this point since gleki beat me to it, but I do vot= e >> in favor of this proposal (if I may do so; if not, I express my emphatic >> support for it). >> > > it's dichotomy here. you can second something that is already second. > > > If the chair of BPFK would accept re-appointment to that position, I >> would also like ask that we vote to recognize his leadership for another >> term. I am personally grateful for his work in bringing people together >> over the last year, and for achieving the long-discussed goal of holding >> deliberations in lojban. >> > >> >> > Once that business is on the way, I=E2=80=99d like to share a few idea= s about >> the idea of sustaining membership. But I think that may be a longer, >> meeting-spanning discussion, and these two items =E2=80=93 recognizing t= he BPFK=E2=80=99s >> work, and reauthorizing its chair =E2=80=93 need to happen now. >> > >> > =E2=80=94Riley >> > >> > > On Mar 10, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Bob LeChevalier >> wrote: >> > > >> > > We are now into Old Business. Known old business topics include >> > > A) BPFK status, goals, and reappointing (or not) the BPFK jatna >> > > B) partly subsidiary to that is the republication of CLL, both the >> Robin edition (anyone know the current status?) and whatever the next >> version is after that. This issue was raised with respect to the github >> repository. >> > > C) the effort led nominally by Pierre to set up some sort of skills >> testing for Lojbanists >> > > D) we've never done anything about it, but we still have the >> possibility, now authorized in the bylaws, to establish "sustaining" >> memberships (nonvoting) to gain some additional funding. Of course, we >> need to find something worth spending the money on - nothing has been hi= gh >> enough priority so far. (There will be some new proposals under New >> Business that could cost more money than we currently take in.) >> > > >> > > >> > > For the first two topics, I personally would like the jatna's take o= n: >> > > 1) whether the PEG grammar or the YACC grammar is the >> official/baseline one right now. >> > > 2) What, if any, parser is considered official, or at least complian= t >> with whatever the official grammar is. >> > > 3) As I've previously noted, it seems that what used to be the >> baselined (and thus not changing) gismu and cmavo lists have been replac= ed >> by new lists which include a whole lot of new stuff, possibly experiment= al >> (but there is no defined experimental space for gismu). It seems that t= o >> some people, a large number of experimental cmavo have become part of th= eir >> standard dialect. Does byfy have a plan for addressing these >> proposals/changes and deciding that some are officially approved (and >> therefore need to be documented in CLL and on the BYFY cmavo pages). >> > > 4) the jatna said that there were 8 byfy members, including And. Wh= o >> are the others and how were/are they determined (in case someone wants t= o >> join)? I know for example that I am still on the byfy list and never >> resigned. But I also make no attempt to keep up with the business, whic= h >> is entirely in Lojban. Though I probably could read a single message if= I >> felt it important enough, I doubt that I have the time/interest to keep = up >> with the discussion. So am I one of the 8, but always abstaining? >> > > 5) Does producing a published dictionary fit anywhere in the byfy >> plans, or is this an LLG project relatively independent of the byfy (the >> answer to 3) above is relevant, and I think that byfy would need to prod= uce >> real dictionary definitions of the cmavo to at least replace those found= in >> the old cmavo list - this was after all one of the original reasons for >> setting up the BPFK - because I couldn't come up with good definitions a= nd >> the dictionary was never published as a result.) >> > > >> > > The floor is open for discussion of these topics and/or other things >> that might be considered Old Business (discussed in previous meetings be= ing >> the key factor). Please use subject lines to keep things straight if >> multiple topics are being discussed. >> > > >> > > Motions, including a motion to reappoint/confirm the jatna until the >> next meeting, and to officially ratify the byfy approval of "dotside", a= re >> in order. >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Llg-members mailing list >> > > Llg-members@lojban.org >> > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Llg-members mailing list >> > Llg-members@lojban.org >> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a114382cec1f6bc052e577d80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not sure what the purpose of that is, but I do so.

On Mar 18, 2016 14:41, "Gleki Arxokuna"= ; <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.= com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">

2016-03-18 21:13 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:


On Mar 18, 2016 10:26, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> Since we may now vote to affirm BPFK=E2=80=99s findings on =E2=80=9Cdo= tside=E2=80=9D, I move that we do so. Curtis, would you like to second?
>
> I=E2=80=99m referring specifically to BPFK=E2=80=99s clarification of = the rules for cmevla:
>
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_cmevla
>
> "All cmevla must begin and end with a pause or glottal stop, rega= rdless of grammatical context. The syllables la, lai, la'i and doi are = no longer subject to special restrictions inside cmevla.=E2=80=9D
>

I cannot second it at this point since gleki beat me = to it, but I do vote in favor of this proposal (if I may do so; if not, I e= xpress my emphatic support for it).


it's dichotomy here. you can second something that is already second.<= /div>

=

> If the chair of BPFK would accept re-appointment to tha= t position, I would also like ask that we vote to recognize his leadership = for another term. I am personally grateful for his work in bringing people = together over the last year, and for achieving the long-discussed goal of h= olding deliberations in lojban.
>

> Once that business is on the way, I=E2=80=99d like to s= hare a few ideas about the idea of sustaining membership. But I think that = may be a longer, meeting-spanning discussion, and these two items =E2=80=93= recognizing the BPFK=E2=80=99s work, and reauthorizing its chair =E2=80=93= need to happen now.
>
> =E2=80=94Riley
>
> > On Mar 10, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> >
> > We are now into Old Business.=C2=A0 Known old business topics inc= lude
> > A) BPFK status, goals, and reappointing (or not) the BPFK jatna > > B) partly subsidiary to that is the republication of CLL, both th= e Robin edition (anyone know the current status?) and whatever the next ver= sion is after that.=C2=A0 This issue was raised with respect to the github = repository.
> > C) the effort led nominally by Pierre to set up some sort of skil= ls testing for Lojbanists
> > D) we've never done anything about it, but we still have the = possibility, now authorized in the bylaws, to establish "sustaining&qu= ot; memberships (nonvoting) to gain some additional funding.=C2=A0 Of cours= e, we need to find something worth spending the money on - nothing has been= high enough priority so far.=C2=A0 (There will be some new proposals under= New Business that could cost more money than we currently take in.)
> >
> >
> > For the first two topics, I personally would like the jatna's= take on:
> > 1) whether the PEG grammar or the YACC grammar is the official/ba= seline one right now.
> > 2) What, if any, parser is considered official, or at least compl= iant with whatever the official grammar is.
> > 3) As I've previously noted, it seems that what used to be th= e baselined (and thus not changing) gismu and cmavo lists have been replace= d by new lists which include a whole lot of new stuff, possibly experimenta= l (but there is no defined experimental space for gismu).=C2=A0 It seems th= at to some people, a large number of experimental cmavo have become part of= their standard dialect.=C2=A0 Does byfy have a plan for addressing these p= roposals/changes and deciding that some are officially approved (and theref= ore need to be documented in CLL and on the BYFY cmavo pages).
> > 4) the jatna said that there were 8 byfy members, including And.= =C2=A0 Who are the others and how were/are they determined (in case someone= wants to join)?=C2=A0 I know for example that I am still on the byfy list = and never resigned.=C2=A0 But I also make no attempt to keep up with the bu= siness, which is entirely in Lojban.=C2=A0 Though I probably could read a s= ingle message if I felt it important enough, I doubt that I have the time/i= nterest to keep up with the discussion.=C2=A0 So am I one of the 8, but alw= ays abstaining?
> > 5) Does producing a published dictionary fit anywhere in the byfy= plans, or is this an LLG project relatively independent of the byfy (the a= nswer to 3) above is relevant, and I think that byfy would need to produce = real dictionary definitions of the cmavo to at least replace those found in= the old cmavo list - this was after all one of the original reasons for se= tting up the BPFK - because I couldn't come up with good definitions an= d the dictionary was never published as a result.)
> >
> > The floor is open for discussion of these topics and/or other thi= ngs that might be considered Old Business (discussed in previous meetings b= eing the key factor).=C2=A0 Please use subject lines to keep things straigh= t if multiple topics are being discussed.
> >
> > Motions, including a motion to reappoint/confirm the jatna until = the next meeting, and to officially ratify the byfy approval of "dotsi= de", are in order.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Llg-members mailing list
> > Llg-m= embers@lojban.org
> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Llg-members mailing list
> Llg-member= s@lojban.org
> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members


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