Received: from localhost ([::1]:60922 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1atHfu-0003j5-Am; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:41:54 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f42.google.com ([209.85.213.42]:35495) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1atHfo-0003iB-Ls for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:41:52 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id t129so105121651vkg.2 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:41:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=kKi/FuKAwGkeCSi8UgwBPoPaucALvixCgPo1xxlUEEw=; b=ADRoJJXPg8AX8R7tw/jgcG4mpVG8ZVrjn9bwIENjjOZS/sIaPUXQ5rA9ndAFrwHmIn F+9dr9fFYn4e2IekDJEbiA5qvS1x0XLJYWn77sjziPDfCMF/9NSrJZ1YIK0bcrgAxA91 qLXjw8Dks+0Vv8vw5K+CuoNZNkY+703fJalNGUNPKW0IflipErEBD97xYFxtcvbghOOx J9HdaQ3KezOP8dvMF8iGHDLbJ6Emh0Kuhb4WCiVlSAhlhALK/tG3mmjfHFyNpVE2eTO2 WqABljcTDzzOGhmON0zBS1eqq8Q/l5vozgc+yydUAbUyxM4AewUgh1/ue4EYzCe5DN71 L0xA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=kKi/FuKAwGkeCSi8UgwBPoPaucALvixCgPo1xxlUEEw=; b=Ml5T+Mkpm/H+gK9LWCoHiutvhoA/KJcARlaraGV2x6htQljTu3nTHwtRbnE52DAVQe JQQvY73JFceBJOhT8aJQ09NpON/jZa+yFefVtuWIWsXWVqyHFyILm1AajfgYxb8+B531 0AdEnE3Vh169f1implZfl4ht0uo9vHFQZ3GANaHTozalHgqGDYE3F6u2bmXBNsX04YcJ geuSTBrE3+ctppuxqkcO4gZLMjuUVs7vyxqurBmeOm+nUd0lujo7ckC/dKl017ukf3R0 RGtjXG5ma9I6HxdnhGit03yh9TXqLZwyaaYjChIFPL6gCDyt17VMwyAcWqNWjzAsS8/x H4dQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXkOIULCd/wJcrJaoujhXlcmUddKg8V867zY221XtWUhbDMF/45t1QCeCJGDITnYtaxpK09gqZQYrE3lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.176.7.35 with SMTP id h32mr8140918uah.17.1461256902409; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.66.226 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.66.226 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571271C9.7050002@lojban.org> <1533522.sVHHld6LrL@caracal> <0748C06D-7DE6-4F31-BB71-58215BF60729@gmail.com> <5718BD2E.1040003@selpahi.de> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Curtis Franks To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: NB-Website_Jurisdiction X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7071073022567706133==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7071073022567706133== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c123e4a98028705310162f1 --94eb2c123e4a98028705310162f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The whole point of a wiki is free collaboration, so I agree that it would be bad for the community to block access to most people. But some sort of supervision should be enforced, if we take raised concerns seriously. So, we are going to need to strike some sort of balance or heirarchy. Your concerns are practical and I think that we should address them. On Apr 21, 2016 10:26, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: 2016-04-21 14:48 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2016-04-21 14:44 GMT+03:00 selpahi : > >> On 21.04.2016 06:04, Curtis Franks wrote: >> >>> Consequently, I retract my motion. >>> >> >> Good, because it was going way overboard. Installing a *police* to >> "execute" laws on a wiki of a volunteer-driven community? Also, I *highly* >> doubt Robin is in the least bit interested in doing anything even remotely >> related to what you suggested. >> >> If everyone is in favor of putting certain pages under LLG's control then >> that should be easy to do, and should not require a crazy set of rules of >> the kind suggested. >> >> If everyone is in favor of gleki no longer having access to certain >> twitter accounts or parts of lojban.org's server, those things can be >> put to the vote, and gleki has indicated that he will obey the decision of >> the membership. >> >> But please, let's keep things practical. >> > > Partially relevant to this. I'm a bit concerned that no one but me has > been adding new members to the wiki. > People make requests but no one seems to be seeing them. > > I hope la mukti will reply and add read-only access to > thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com to more people so that they get > notifications for each new account request pending. > So please discuss and decide who will be accepting new member into the wiki, blocking them, renaming their accounts on request. I highly doubt Robin can agree to quickly do such things again as he used to do. By the way, I just accepted one more member into the wiki. It'd be extremely strange to stop people from entering the wiki. Blocking any activity of users will certainly mean that the language is forced to die. I don't care who manages the wiki. I would be happy if someone else but me started doing so. But someone must. > > >> >> ~~~mi'e la selpa'i >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --94eb2c123e4a98028705310162f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The whole point of a wiki is free collaboration, so I agree = that it would be bad for the community to block access to most people. But = some sort of supervision should be enforced, if we take raised concerns ser= iously. So, we are going to need to strike some sort of balance or heirarch= y.

Your concerns are practical and I think that we should addre= ss them.

On Apr 21, 2016 10:26, "Gleki Arxokuna"= ; <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.= com> wrote:


2016-04-21 14:48 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:


2016-04-21 14:44 GMT+03:00 selpahi <selpahi@selpahi.de&= gt;:
On 21.04.2016 06:04, = Curtis Franks wrote:
Consequently, I retract my motion.

 Good, because it was going way overboard. Installing a *police* to "ex= ecute" laws on a wiki of a volunteer-driven community? Also, I *highly= * doubt Robin is in the least bit interested in doing anything even remotel= y related to what you suggested.

If everyone is in favor of putting certain pages under LLG's control th= en that should be easy to do, and should not require a crazy set of rules o= f the kind suggested.

If everyone is in favor of gleki no longer having access to certain twitter= accounts or parts of lojban.org's server, those things can be put to the v= ote, and gleki has indicated that he will obey the decision of the membersh= ip.

But please, let's keep things practical.

Partially relevant to this. I'm a bit concerned that no on= e but me has been adding new members to the wiki.
People make req= uests but no one seems to be seeing them.

I hope l= a mukti will reply and add read-only access to thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.co= m to more people so that they get notifications for each new account re= quest pending.


=
So please discuss =C2=A0and decide who will be accepting n= ew member into the wiki, blocking them, renaming their accounts on request.=

I highly doubt Robin can agree to quickly do such= things again as he used to do.

By the way, I = just accepted one more member into the wiki. It'd be extremely strange = to stop people from entering the wiki.
Blocking any activity of u= sers will certainly mean that the language is forced to die.

=
I don't care who manages the wiki.

= I would be happy if someone else but me started doing so.
But som= eone must.



=C2=A0

~~~mi'e la selpa'i



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