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([2600:100c:b02c:945f:cc2:8e5a:ce69:7fb9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e130sm9716047iof.17.2016.04.24.12.08.20 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Riley Lynch Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:08:19 -0500 References: In-Reply-To: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13D15) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Community Manager position? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4540891713708859117==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============4540891713708859117== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-24B1CD46-D725-4EC4-8F8F-E5AEB93CAE46 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-24B1CD46-D725-4EC4-8F8F-E5AEB93CAE46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have had international IRC sessions before, so I don't see the challenges= of scheduling as prohibitive.=20 Also, if we discuss the agenda before the meeting, then the meeting itself b= ecomes not only shorter, but much more predictable, so it will be easier for= those who cannot attend for whatever reason to entrust votes to proxies. I, for one, would enthusiastically prefer a 2-4 hour session in the middle o= f a designated night to our current arrangement, which makes it difficult to= juggle unplanned meeting business and everyday, non-LLG responsibilities.=20= Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Gleki Arxokuna w= rote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2016-04-24 18:59 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch : >> With the motion to adjourn defeated, I=E2=80=99m picking up from lojbab=E2= =80=99s email of April 16: =E2=80=9CNew Business, anyone?=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> On March 18, I moved that we accept BPFK=E2=80=99s report on dotside and o= n March 24 it was deemed to have passed without opposition.I don=E2=80=99t t= hink that further action is required, but someone please object if this is n= ot correct. >>=20 >> I agree entirely with selpa=E2=80=99i: It=E2=80=99s not helpful for LLG t= o micro-manage a web site that is almost exclusively powered by volunteer ef= forts. >>=20 >> I regret that guskant and gleki are at odds about the maintenance of the w= eb site. Both of them have invested a lot of time into expanding and the con= tent and keeping it fresh. In the case of gleki, he also administered the LM= W before it became the official site, so perhaps any confusion about his rol= e comes from privileges that carried over after LMW became the main web site= . >>=20 >> My understanding is that as Secretary, the maintenance of pages that are d= eemed official fall under my responsibilities. I have not made an effort to p= olice changes to those pages, but most just to see that pages that are unamb= iguously =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D are tagged as such, and receive updates w= hen the membership or board takes actions. >>=20 >> I think gleki deserves credit for picking up the slack administratively. H= e has taken care to empower other members of the community to administer the= wiki and various other online initiatives that he has started. I don=E2=80=99= t always agree with his decisions, but they are often decisions that someone= needs to make. When we have disagreed, I have found that we have been able t= o reach compromises. >>=20 >> I think it makes sense to formalize that role, not to =E2=80=9Cdeprive=E2= =80=9D gleki or anyone else of various powers, but to distribute responsibil= ities with greater transparency and accountability. I can image such a posit= ion having a title such as =E2=80=9Ccommunity manager=E2=80=9D, entailing th= e administration of LLG=E2=80=99s various social media accounts, and the day= to day operations of the web site. This would be distinguished from the pre= -existing =E2=80=9Cweb master=E2=80=9D position, which appears to include th= e administration of the web servers, supporting databases, domain registrati= on and name service. >>=20 >> Unless there is an immediate consensus on such a position, as well as a c= andidate to fill it, I recommend that we defer actionable discussion until t= he 2016 meeting. >>=20 >> I may have already mentioned this, but I would favor changing the way we r= un meeting to something along the lines of what lojbab proposed, with discus= sion of the agenda happening in email before the meeting, and then the actua= l business of the meeting in an IRC session. >=20 > Well, there is low probability of doing that only in IRC because we cover t= he whole globe so=20 > for any fixed time zo'u: for some of us it would be unsuitable. > However, some members (even if 90% of them) can discuss in IRC, then post r= esume of their discussion with half-decisions marked or common position form= ed to allow in the email part of the meeting to confirm their votes and to a= llow others not present at IRC to vote or comment via e-mail. >=20 >=20 >> The Language Creation Society does it this way, and having observed one o= f their meetings, I think it=E2=80=99s a model worth emulating. It would def= initely help us to keep to a more manageable schedule. >>=20 >> =E2=80=94Riley >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --Apple-Mail-24B1CD46-D725-4EC4-8F8F-E5AEB93CAE46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We have had international IRC sessions= before, so I don't see the challenges of scheduling as prohibitive. 

= Also, if we discuss the agenda before the meeting, then the meeting itself b= ecomes not only shorter, but much more predictable, so it will be easier for= those who cannot attend for whatever reason to entrust votes to proxies.

I= , for one, would enthusiastically prefer a 2-4 hour session in the middle of= a designated night to our current arrangement, which makes it difficult to j= uggle unplanned meeting business and everyday, non-LLG responsibilities.&nbs= p;

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Gl= eki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.n= ame@gmail.com> wrote:



= 2016-04-24 18:59 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com&g= t;:
With the motion to adjourn defea= ted, I=E2=80=99m picking up from lojbab=E2=80=99s email of April 16: =E2=80=9C= New Business, anyone?=E2=80=9D

On March 18, I moved that we accept BPFK=E2=80=99s report on dotside and on M= arch 24 it was deemed to have passed without opposition.I don=E2=80=99t thin= k that further action is required, but someone please object if this is not c= orrect.

I agree entirely with selpa=E2=80=99i: It=E2=80=99s not helpful for LLG to m= icro-manage a web site that is almost exclusively powered by volunteer effor= ts.

I regret that guskant and gleki are at odds about the maintenance of the web= site. Both of them have invested a lot of time into expanding and the conte= nt and keeping it fresh. In the case of gleki, he also administered the LMW b= efore it became the official site, so perhaps any confusion about his role c= omes from privileges that carried over after LMW became the main web site.
My understanding is that as Secretary, the maintenance of pages that are dee= med official fall under my responsibilities. I have not made an effort to po= lice changes to those pages, but most just to see that pages that are unambi= guously =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D are tagged as such, and receive updates w= hen the membership or board takes actions.

I think gleki deserves credit for picking up the slack administratively. He h= as taken care to empower other members of the community to administer the wi= ki and various other online initiatives that he has started. I don=E2=80=99t= always agree with his decisions, but they are often decisions that someone n= eeds to make. When we have disagreed, I have found that we have been able to= reach compromises.

I think it makes sense to formalize that role, not to =E2=80=9Cdeprive=E2=80= =9D gleki or anyone else of various powers, but to distribute responsibiliti= es with greater transparency and accountability. I can image such a position= having a title such as =E2=80=9Ccommunity manager=E2=80=9D, entailing the a= dministration of LLG=E2=80=99s various social media accounts, and the day to= day operations of the web site. This would be distinguished from the pre-ex= isting =E2=80=9Cweb master=E2=80=9D position, which appears to include the a= dministration of the web servers, supporting databases, domain registration a= nd name service.

Unless there is an immediate consensus on such a position, as well as a cand= idate to fill it, I recommend that we defer actionable discussion until the 2= 016 meeting.

I may have already mentioned this, but I would favor changing the way we run= meeting to something along the lines of what lojbab proposed, with discussi= on of the agenda happening in email before the meeting, and then the actual b= usiness of the meeting in an IRC session.

We= ll, there is low probability of doing that only in IRC because we cover the w= hole globe so
for any fixed time zo'u: for some of us it would be unsuit= able.
However, some members (even if 90% of them) can discuss in I= RC, then post resume of their discussion with half-decisions marked or commo= n position formed to allow in the email part of the meeting to confirm their= votes and to allow others not present at IRC to vote or comment via e-mail.=


The Languag= e Creation Society does it this way, and having observed one of their meetin= gs, I think it=E2=80=99s a model worth emulating. It would definitely help u= s to keep to a more manageable schedule.

=E2=80=94Riley


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