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([2601:5c0:c000:25f9:ae5f:3eff:fe8b:4b89]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c193sm9187430qkg.43.2016.04.26.10.08.06 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:08:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571EA53F.6040906@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:08:04 -0400 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: <2A767C1B-DA0E-49F5-931C-1F61D5ECDD86@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Community Manager position? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3711843514557678684==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3711843514557678684== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----UA7PD81C61EOA73UH1MIG4EYL7LC00" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------UA7PD81C61EOA73UH1MIG4EYL7LC00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Done this way excludes some people from the possibility of participating during the discussion. If they have to wait until the discussion has been basically been completed on IRC before being able to participate them their comments will not hold the same weight. As one of the people probably in this position I will say I would be less invested and feel less like being involved in the meetings. In this case I believe that going with the slower, more inclusive methods of discussion is necessary. .karis. On April 26, 2016 2:34:48 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >2016-04-26 2:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG >< >lojbab@lojban.org>: > >> On 4/25/2016 2:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-04-24 22:08 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch >> >: >>> >>> We have had international IRC sessions before, so I don't see >the >>> challenges of scheduling as prohibitive. >>> >>> >>> And exactly what happened last time is that < 100% of members found >the >>> designated time uncomfortable. >>> >> >> If we are talking about LLG member meetings, when last this was done, >Nick >> Nicolas in Australia was the person with the most difficult >participation > > >I was talking about out last meeting where discussions were partially >held >in IRC. >The same can be done this time. >I simply suggest that when possible we should not discuss anything here >but >instead in IRC where we form a common position. >Someone posts a resume of IRC meetings here and what we do in this >mailing >list is just confirm our position and correct the resume. >This will save a lot of time. >Other members not participating in IRC part of the meeting can continue >using this mailing list for any discussions. Since such people won't be >numerous they won't make the meeting much longer. > > > > >> , and he was more flexible than most people could be. Other than him, >the >> time zones ranged from the US Pacific coast to central Europe, I >think a 9 >> hour range. Nowadays, we have Ali in Pakistan (+12), gleki in Russia >> (+10), and guskant in Japan (+16), all outside of that 9 hour range >(plus >> numbers are hours relative to Pacific Daylight time. >> > >Yeah, so e.g. we could cut out from IRC meetings gleki and Ali since >they >stand apart from other people in terms of timezones. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Llg-members mailing list >Llg-members@lojban.org >http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members -- Karen Stein -- ------UA7PD81C61EOA73UH1MIG4EYL7LC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Done this way excludes some people from the possibility of participating during the discussion. If they have to wait until the discussion has been basically been completed on IRC before being able to participate them their comments will not hold the same weight. As one of the people probably in this position I will say I would be less invested and feel less like being involved in the meetings. In this case I believe that going with the slower, more inclusive methods of discussion is necessary.

.karis.

On April 26, 2016 2:34:48 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-04-26 2:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 4/25/2016 2:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2016-04-24 22:08 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com
 <mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com>>:

    We have had international IRC sessions before, so I don't see the
    challenges of scheduling as prohibitive.


And exactly what happened last time is that < 100% of members found the
designated time uncomfortable.

If we are talking about LLG member meetings, when last this was done, Nick Nicolas in Australia was the person with the most difficult participation

I was talking about out last meeting where discussions were partially held in IRC.
The same can be done this time. 
I simply suggest that when possible we should not discuss anything here but instead in IRC where we form a common position.
Someone posts a resume of IRC meetings here and what we do in this mailing list is just confirm our position and correct the resume.
This will save a lot of time.
Other members not participating in IRC part of the meeting can continue using this mailing list for any discussions. Since such people won't be numerous they won't make the meeting much longer.


 
, and he was more flexible than most people could be. Other than him, the time zones ranged from the US Pacific coast to central Europe, I think a 9 hour range.  Nowadays, we have Ali in Pakistan (+12), gleki in Russia (+10), and guskant in Japan (+16), all outside of that 9 hour range (plus numbers are hours relative to Pacific Daylight time.

Yeah, so e.g. we could cut out from IRC meetings gleki and Ali since they stand apart from other people in terms of timezones.


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