Received: from localhost ([::1]:58656 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0jjY-0007rJ-Ap; Wed, 11 May 2016 23:04:28 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f47.google.com ([209.85.215.47]:35800) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1b0jjQ-0007qz-RS for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 11 May 2016 23:04:25 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f47.google.com with SMTP id j8so65729414lfd.2 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 23:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=goQWAVYOMfqQKLqSFSl1RMILiaHjgxpUyt10Vep/tsw=; b=iN0aPps8g2Xy6pbI3HUjn0Uuss6Wjqq+Ry0vvdFbE6UfmLueOfyTjfSCCMdLqlm6IK qmg1taOgs20x3AO8weXKzrtLZjdHjtdtGXavws1ZRHySDKEEa72WAkKKGPgwqMk+9U4a ii6ar92fqehwPDFmvekLyGmIj3E81mX6Q6D4YPTbZv4ho/DzrHTNmFK5/5Bp1yt4qIC4 nBsDsW3VyU076ShCkX4DyWDHIGyW8dX1u+f/kVTk16jxzheXvi5cSq+LksC2FNPB+/Hi xarlsbiLIKp89u1GL00mMwMpnD7nKAUWSzlYX0Qt2UgvgEZkFXsqEh67QCOdVLdWRPTU 6gGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=goQWAVYOMfqQKLqSFSl1RMILiaHjgxpUyt10Vep/tsw=; b=G21LJj+9BuGFPLUeVkFV7IXhsmWImKJmtZIkofq2Joi0NbM/uX288n5rv+4nw28Jds hJKxnWoXcBWaoHmFIlhNT7urSBZ1ooouFn8VpIaaYuv5pFH3kzklDHP6EaT275V2usRf CQLpOf24E6yGqAzwmTufAX3ajApaK3bXLs52JCtWv1AT8hjV8ml7x6sSnnPLLZUze4WR ENH34DkOaYZlRsLF1jamxWRKu/3BVlSrQ3uWZTo2FDGNcs8lkavEuiW9c7FUxEnq9Z36 V+z8EgM888gOmyBMQyHykNLbjZ51N40hFT9WaFvP0HEPvk6qkiObZfYBXuAqrxpBHOww 42MA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXHNUI3o8vdQauLueV163COLBnFKOfhnCsIDQC+qslfRjOv0CRcURrbMP1TltkvMMJGT69gGN3Bkw0rww== X-Received: by 10.25.149.84 with SMTP id x81mr2988953lfd.166.1463033053705; Wed, 11 May 2016 23:04:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.199.163 with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2016 23:03:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5733B5C8.7000902@lojban.org> References: <8B3122F0-71E9-42C1-852D-1492D9DC8B52@gmail.com> <5733B5C8.7000902@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 09:03:34 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Violation of copyright X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5998665915960090717==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5998665915960090717== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11401f3875fc3805329eed87 --001a11401f3875fc3805329eed87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-05-12 1:44 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < lojbab@lojban.org>: > On 5/11/2016 9:50 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-05-11 16:48 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein > >: >> >> Thank you for removing the image, Gleki. It makes sense to me to >> provide a way for speakers and interested persons to reach Russian >> lojban I add part of the main wiki. The details of the group may be >> less important if it isn't very active now. >> >> Guskant, can you please reach out to the artist so she knows her >> material has been removed. Also offer LLG's apology, unless someone >> else has an issue with either of these. >> >> >> The question here is that any user of that network can potentially >> upload any picture to that group. >> > > It is always possible that someone will misbehave on a mailing list > (including even this one) and, in doing so, violate copyright. As long as > we are quickly responsive to a complaint about such a copyright violation > and remove the material, we should be OK, especially since there is no > money involved. > > (For example, in the current American political cycle, there have been a > couple of instances where a group uses music from a band in advertising or > in gatherings in support of some politician that the band strongly > disapproves of. The complaint by the band of copyright violation often > appears in the news, and if the political group stops using the music, that > ends the issue and there is no lawsuit. And that is a situation where I > suspect legal action to be much more likely than anything LLG is likely to > be involved in.) > > We are more likely to run into problems with translations of copyrighted > text and music that we link to on our website, because we KNOW that these > are copyright violations. Translation of "The Little Prince", and books > like the Berenstein Bears, and various music pieces are linked on our > website. I've noticed that we now have credits to the authors or composers > of such pieces, but I believe that the law requires explicit permission, as > would be needed for the art usage complained to guskant. (Translation > usually falls under copyright as "derivative works") > > (guskant is the source of some of this material, so her opinion on how we > should handle her usage of copyrighted material would be valuable). > > I've raised the issue to the Board, and we might as well discuss it here > for purposes of consideration by anyone who undertakes official managing > the Lojban website. How much effort will we make to avoid copyright > violations in Lojban translations, artwork, and music, vs. merely removing > such material if someone complains? Do we need an explicit statement of > our policy on the major pages linking such materials, since there are a > number of people who can modify wiki pages? Are there other things that we > can/should do the respect the rights of creators? > We can move them to a separate website that doesn't have any affiliation to LLG. And on the wiki we can link to it mentioning that this website isn't official. In case such website is shut down members of LLG can store local copies of it (it's better to make such website static). > lojbab > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a11401f3875fc3805329eed87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-05-12 1:44 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG = <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 5/11/2016 9:50 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2016-05-11 16:48 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com
 <mailto:comca= resvcs@gmail.com>>:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thank you for removing the image, Gleki. It makes sense to me= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 provide a way for speakers and interested persons to reach Ru= ssian
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 lojban I add part of the main wiki. The details of the group = may be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 less important if it isn't very active now.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Guskant, can you please reach out to the artist so she knows = her
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 material has been removed. Also offer LLG's apology, unle= ss someone
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 else has an issue with either of these.


 The question here is that any user of that network can potentially
upload any picture to that group.

It is always possible that someone will misbehave on a mailing list (includ= ing even this one) and, in doing so, violate copyright.=C2=A0 As long as we= are quickly responsive to a complaint about such a copyright violation and= remove the material, we should be OK, especially since there is no money i= nvolved.

(For example, in the current American political cycle, there have been a co= uple of instances where a group uses music from a band in advertising or in= gatherings in support of some politician that the band strongly disapprove= s of.=C2=A0 The complaint by the band of copyright violation often appears = in the news, and if the political group stops using the music, that ends th= e issue and there is no lawsuit.=C2=A0 And that is a situation where I susp= ect legal action to be much more likely than anything LLG is likely to be i= nvolved in.)

We are more likely to run into problems with translations of copyrighted te= xt and music that we link to on our website, because we KNOW that these are= copyright violations.=C2=A0 Translation of "The Little Prince", = and books like the Berenstein Bears, and various music pieces are linked on= our website.=C2=A0 I've noticed that we now have credits to the author= s or composers of such pieces, but I believe that the law requires explicit= permission, as would be needed for the art usage complained to guskant.=C2= =A0 (Translation usually falls under copyright as "derivative works&qu= ot;)

(guskant is the source of some of this material, so her opinion on how we s= hould handle her usage of copyrighted material would be valuable).

I've raised the issue to the Board, and we might as well discuss it her= e for purposes of consideration by anyone who undertakes official managing = the Lojban website.=C2=A0 How much effort will we make to avoid copyright v= iolations in Lojban translations, artwork, and music, vs. merely removing s= uch material if someone complains?=C2=A0 Do we need an explicit statement o= f our policy on the major pages linking such materials, since there are a n= umber of people who can modify wiki pages?=C2=A0 Are there other things tha= t we can/should do the respect the rights of creators?

We can move them to a separate website that doesn't hav= e any affiliation to LLG. And on the wiki we can link to it mentioning that= this website isn't official.
In case such website is shut do= wn members of LLG can store local copies of it (it's better to make suc= h website static).


lojbab



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