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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Some linguist Im reading about on his website mentions lojban criticisms on the introductory page. Could one please take a look at the technical jargon and tell me if the criticisms are credible or false? 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Could one please take a look at the techn= ical jargon and tell me if the criticisms are credible or false? =0A=0A=0A"= Loglan and its derivatives are merely sophisticated tools for symbol =0Am= anipulation, i.e., the levels of language known as morphology and =0Asyn= tax. It is not within the scope of such languages to address any =0Areorg= anization of the semantic realm. This means that symbolic logic =0Asimply= manipulates arguments which are input into the system, they do =0Anot an= alyze the origin of those arguments in terms of meaning, nor are they cap= able of analyzing or formalizing the structure of the cognitive or semantic= realm of the human mind in terms of how meaning itself is assigned to ar= guments". "Loglan and similar efforts fail to address the inconsistencies= and =0Ainefficiency inherent in language at the lexico-semantic level. = =0AIthkuil has been designed to systematically address this issue." ---1446626398-2006848417-1322891625=:93267 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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"Loglan and its derivatives are merely sophisticated tools fo= r symbol =0Amanipulation, i.e., the levels of language known as morpholo= gy and =0Asyntax. It is not within the scope of such languages to address= any =0Areorganization of the semantic realm. This means that symbolic lo= gic =0Asimply manipulates arguments which are input into the system, they= do =0Anot analyze the origin of those arguments in terms of meaning, nor= are=0A they capable of analyzing or formalizing the structure of the cogni= tive=0A or semantic realm of the human mind in terms of how meaning itsel= f is=0A assigned to arguments". "Loglan and similar efforts fail to addre= ss the inconsistencies and =0Ainefficiency inherent in language at the le= xico-semantic level. =0AIthkuil has been designed to systematically addre= ss this issue."
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