Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RtQmQ-0007nJ-9A for lojban-newreal@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:34:50 -0800 Received: from snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.103]:39939) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RtQmL-0007mc-6S for lojban@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:34:49 -0800 Received: from SNT106-W31 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:34:38 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_11c58376-3794-4c59-b8e9-fafc3b7aa7b5_" X-Originating-IP: [190.88.6.236] From: nico van bockel To: Subject: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:34:38 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2012 21:34:38.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1CE5F00:01CCE2BB] X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_bar: / Sender: Nobody --_11c58376-3794-4c59-b8e9-fafc3b7aa7b5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI I have a question=2C how does the Lojban language take into consideration h= uman values. Allow me to explain what I mean by this: Human values are learned by external influences (upbringing=2C rolemodels= =2C advertisement=2C culture=2C movies=2C religion=2C laws=2C friends=2C et= c.).=20 So for example what I consider to be operant behavior or usefull behavior m= ight mean something entirely different to someone that has had different ex= ternal influences.=20 To give an example:=20 - Some people might find using public transportation instead of a car usef= ull behavior while others find it useless.=20 or good and bad: - some find any type of military bad while others find it good So how will you give meaning to a word like usefull without being ambiguous= . Other examples of words that to me cannot be unambiguous are: right=2C wron= g=2C tall=2C short=2C happy=2C sad=2C hard=2C soft=2C big=2C small=2C weak= =2C strong=2C etc. In other words all words that are given meaning by your = judgement out of experience or values.=20 Kind regards=2C Nico = --_11c58376-3794-4c59-b8e9-fafc3b7aa7b5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

HI

I have a question=2C how does the Lojban language take into consi= deration human values. Allow me to explain what I mean by this:

Huma= n values are learned by external influences (upbringing=2C rolemodels=2C ad= vertisement=2C culture=2C movies=2C religion=2C laws=2C friends=2C etc.).&n= bsp=3B
So for example what I conside= r to be operant behavior or usefull behavior might mean something entirely = different to someone that has had different external influences. =3BTo give an example: =3B
=3B- Some people might find using publ= ic transportation instead of a car usefull behavior while others find it us= eless. =3B
or good and bad:
=3B- some find any type of milit= ary bad while others find it good

So how will you give meani= ng to a word like usefull without being ambiguous.
Other examples of wor= ds that to me cannot be unambiguous are: right=2C wrong=2C tall=2C short=2C= happy=2C sad=2C hard=2C soft=2C big=2C small=2C weak=2C strong=2C etc. In = other words all words that are given meaning by your judgement out of exper= ience or values. =3B

Kind regards=2C

Ni= co

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