Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rtxtk-0005Vj-L1 for lojban-newreal@lojban.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:56:37 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rtxth-0005V4-IB; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:56:33 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 00:56:33 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: nico van bockel Cc: lojban@lojban.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20120205085633.GT20579@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: nico van bockel , lojban@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: Nobody We solve this problem by having a "by standards" place on such words; then it's very easy to say "This is good *to me*", and if you *don't* say the "to me" part, it's obvious you've left it off. Please note that Lojban makes no attempt whatsoever to be semantically unambiguous, which is what you're talking about; only syntactically. -Robin On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 09:34:38PM +0000, nico van bockel wrote: > > HI > > I have a question, how does the Lojban language take into consideration human values. Allow me to explain what I mean by this: > > Human values are learned by external influences (upbringing, rolemodels, advertisement, culture, movies, religion, laws, friends, etc.). > So for example what I consider to be operant behavior or usefull behavior might mean something entirely different to someone that has had different external influences. > To give an example: > - Some people might find using public transportation instead of a car usefull behavior while others find it useless. > or good and bad: > - some find any type of military bad while others find it good > So how will you give meaning to a word like usefull without being ambiguous. > Other examples of words that to me cannot be unambiguous are: right, wrong, tall, short, happy, sad, hard, soft, big, small, weak, strong, etc. In other words all words that are given meaning by your judgement out of experience or values. > > Kind regards, > Nico > > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u