Received: from localhost ([::1]:48459 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XtvMW-0001Yb-RT; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:27:44 -0800 Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.220.172]:62966) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XtvMT-0001YO-UD for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:27:43 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hq11so2023585vcb.31 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:27:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FQN6vE9wpweDjAAz6gBrv98bsmqNFzbYAgXZ5tOp4Pg=; b=i5QHjSjrPOvRgi+wyNF4L2maH9WVNSIp8IWVOFr5uj1RGfwEHjP/+7H9a3+aWBof3G x1OxAh+kSjsvnp2cwQ47XqAdF5C2Q19HVTDjc/miv3h0hwGbijtW461IGq2VGsCao02w 3VTn3yJrdQuE21lQjC6Q+n1V5xZOAun/UHGSIGKfSQhxS4saxPr1vtNK+EW6eXIOqzrf Ej8k9rhc4iMNNOQ8N52f60c5kBWLmDouOhJoJTX91dHwSgfyaF+Xub2Ox6QhxAWCvc+h AsOw3TavOdl+vtI9i1ZWawLhf00qnkbKQQW07tyzTkxrkj3JvITE01ISrQ6Kxera54Ld OkeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.29.172 with SMTP id l12mr8350300vdh.33.1417080454221; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:27:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1791601.oZ280FNDu3@caracal> References: <1703705.YW2RrY83V4@caracal> <1791601.oZ280FNDu3@caracal> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:27:34 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ali Sajid Imami To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2014 Annual Meeting - Motion to create a Project Manager position. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5920884543849925212==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5920884543849925212== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30780cb21796f20508d3c119 --20cf30780cb21796f20508d3c119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Individual status of the projects aside, the way the discussion is going now is exactly why I am suggestign that we create the position and hire a person to do that job. Regards, Ali Sajid Imami CTO Khabaristan Times On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:04:34 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > 2014-11-26 3:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > > > So would this officer be able to find Lojbanists, maybe in Russia or > > > Japan, who > > > could help with defining rating scales for the proficiency test? > > > > For that a dictionary and a refgram is a must imo. > > Proficiency tests would also require fluent speakers that first time are > to > > be determined without any tests. Otherwise who are the judges? > > For now the test is only written, possibly with listening comprehension > questions (there is nothing in the database schema yet about audio > recordings). > > The dictionary isn't required except for determining level 3 on the > fu'ivla, > lujvo, and cmene scales (Requires knowing the meaning of a defined > cmene/lujvo/fu'ivla). There may be a problem if the word is defined only in > Japanese and the testee speaks English but not Japanese, or vice versa. > > Pierre > -- > The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --20cf30780cb21796f20508d3c119 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Individual status of the projects aside, the way the di= scussion is going now is exactly why I am suggestign that we create the pos= ition and hire a person to do that job.

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Regards,
Ali Sajid I= mami
CTO

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Pierre Abba= t <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Wednesday, November 26, 201= 4 10:04:34 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> 2014-11-26 3:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>:
> > So would this officer be able to find Lojbanists, maybe in Russia= or
> > Japan, who
> > could help with defining rating scales for the proficiency test?<= br> >
> For that a dictionary and a refgram is a must imo.
> Proficiency tests would also require fluent speakers that first time a= re to
> be determined without any tests. Otherwise who are the judges?

For now the test is only written, possibly with listening compr= ehension
questions (there is nothing in the database schema yet about audio
recordings).

The dictionary isn't required except for determining level 3 on the fu&= #39;ivla,
lujvo, and cmene scales (Requires knowing the meaning of a defined
cmene/lujvo/fu'ivla). There may be a problem if the word is defined onl= y in
Japanese and the testee speaks English but not Japanese, or vice versa.

Pierre
--
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.


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