Received: from localhost ([::1]:39576 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XypTi-0004p2-Av; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:11:26 -0800 Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com ([209.85.217.180]:49368) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XypTe-0004ou-U4 for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:11:24 -0800 Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l4so3196772lbv.11 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tlSXLhaf3C6OcHxFVbOgAUyQng9O0GLgIedkS9o1EYs=; b=DvNS31NNThL5DT1Ff3eyFkQ9hihjuL6OfaLDofs/Hgbutro8ICkb4JY5McAT2Q86TI vsekseZd3/I0dLlX1cMq2TPvA8RZIJutoiddpxigKuB0vmXmLWsUa3qYCYVfL4VcUdJA GJxX5Xpt0t7j30BzwrO0ESrcSvGW+htVAyMxrZb7hd75XJad7374p4SU0AuiGeLWu6Mh Kw5M3r1Dw+36+om3YrwAEoHxccH+Ty7xVKYmakVQyKxZ0gdlRgrovthgxD2spo+NtgNm P0RKuz8gkxniKznrUdc/8ph4xvyShOTzTnDl1MUEC5AfsQ2U75Q2eG40F7A8EepNysN2 nB4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.142.7 with SMTP id rs7mr6303991lbb.83.1418249475531; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.212 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.212 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <380EC192-82A5-4E68-A061-6FF642511D50@gmail.com> <54811DE1.8050408@lojban.org> <54873F23.5080009@lojban.org> <548778EA.5080602@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:11:15 +0000 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual Meeting - Proposal and approval of new members X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7861874168497723098==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7861874168497723098== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36e18312aad0509e3f03d --001a11c36e18312aad0509e3f03d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I nominate Ozymandias and Ilmen for membership. And On 10 Dec 2014 03:06, "Craig Daniel" wrote: > For each asterisked name on the list plus la .az., I hereby nominate that > person as a member of the LLG. > > - .kreig. > On Tue Dec 09 2014 at 7:14:19 PM Ozymandias Haynes < > ozymandias.haynes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I, Oz, wish to join the Logical Language Group. >> >> According to the Bylaws the qualifications for membership are >> >> (a) competence in one or more of the fields of science or scholarship >> listed in Article 2, above, and/or (b) high personal dedication to the >> purposes of The Logical Language Group, Inc. as set forth in that >> Article. >> >> and additionally Bob has suggested historically sufficient qualification= s >> >> Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially >> one requiring coordination with other lojbanists >> Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web >> site maintenance >> Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as >> presenting or teaching the language >> Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask >> for membership at a meeting >> Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member >> >> I have been speaking and thinking about the language for about two >> years now. Throughout that time I have been primarily active on >> Twitter, along with email correspondence and instant messaging. My >> relevant competence is in mathematics. >> >> According to the Bylaws, the purpose of the LLG is in part to =E2=80=9Cp= romote >> the scientific study of the relationships between language, thought >> and human culture=E2=80=9D and well as to =E2=80=9Cexperiment with such = a language; to >> devise and promote applications for this language in fields including >> but not limited to =E2=80=A6 philosophy, logic, mathematics...=E2=80=9D.= I have >> completed and continue to do such work, and some of it has been posted >> at http://blog.nomei.la/. >> >> In particular I have documented and offered a resolution of a logical >> error related to the CLL definition of the universal quantifier [1], >> which I understand is still controversial; documented and offered a >> resolution of the mass entity antinomy which gives a clear account of >> the differences and uses of the three plurality types [2]; and most >> recently written an extensive analysis of sumti raising based on work >> by Quine [3]. I am now engaged in theoretical work on the xorlo gadri >> and am reviewing guskant=E2=80=99s plural logic analysis of them. >> >> Outside of work on the logical foundations of Lojban, I have been >> using the language to pose and solve logical puzzles and prove >> theorems with full mathematical rigor. I am currently working on a >> series of dialogues which attempt to bring that kind of rigor to >> nonmathematical discourse, in particular to moral and ontological >> argument. >> >> I have worked with Peter Burns (also known as rktk) on a fast, >> lightweight dictionary web app called sutsis which is hosted here >> http://sutsis.nomei.la/. I have taught him Lojban, and have been >> happy to answer questions on Twitter by new speakers as well as >> generally promoting actual usage on that service. >> >> Thank you for your consideration. >> >> -Oz >> >> 1] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-problem-of-the-problem-of-any/ >> 2] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-mass-entity-antinomy/ for the problem >> itself and http://blog.nomei.la/individuals-sets-and-mass- >> entities-theory-and-praxis/ >> for my resolution. >> 3] This is more involved than the other posts, so I split it up into >> an examination of Quine=E2=80=99s paper >> http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-theory/ and then worked out >> application to Lojbanic expression >> http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-praxis/ >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder >> - LLG wrote: >> > The next order of business is the proposal of any new members, which >> takes >> > place prior to the election of the Board of Directors. >> > >> > Here is what is written on the web site regarding the qualifications f= or >> > membership. >> > >> >> According to the bylaws, "persons may be named members upon >> recommendation >> >> for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all the >> >> members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy." >> >> The bylaws specify the following qualifications: >> >> >> >> competence in fields including linguistics, psychology, philosoph= y, >> >> logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, >> education, >> >> and human biology >> >> high personal dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language >> Group >> >> as specified in the bylaws >> >> >> >> At the 2011 annual meeting, lojbab proposed the following criteria by >> >> which prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the >> organization as >> >> voting members: >> >> >> >> Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially o= ne >> >> requiring coordination with other lojbanists >> >> Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web >> site >> >> maintenance >> >> Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as >> presenting >> >> or teaching the language >> >> Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask >> for >> >> membership at a meeting >> >> Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member >> > >> > >> > For many years, merely showing up at a meeting was enough to warrant >> > inviting someone to become a member. But then we had a period where >> people >> > would show up at a meeting, become a member, and then lose >> interest/activity >> > over the following year. We got to the point where we had trouble >> achieving >> > quorum at meetings. We then went to the opposite extreme, and dissuad= ed >> > people from becoming members UNLESS they were explicitly interested in >> the >> > organizational or business aspects of the language community. For the >> most >> > part, it was presumed that language design decisions would be made by >> the >> > BPFK or some successor thereof. >> > >> > Language skill is not required, though welcomed. A movement towards >> > requiring such competency and/or conducting meetings at least partiall= y >> in >> > Lojban appeared and then died before the following meeting. Robin >> Powell, >> > who was one of the leaders of that movement, can speak as to the >> reasons he >> > has since changed his mind. >> > >> > The following are non-members who have reported as being present at th= e >> > meeting. If asterisked, then I know them to have previously expressed >> > interest in becoming a voting member of LLG. >> > >> > *Jacob Errington (tsani) >> > *Alex Burka (durka) >> > *Riley Martinez-Lynch (mukti) >> > *Mitsuko Wate (guskant) >> > Ozymandias Haynes (az) >> > *Miles Forster (selpa'i) >> > *Adam Lopresto (xalbo) >> > Andrew Browne (dersaidin) >> > Sylvain D=C3=A9jardin (ilmen) >> > *Arkadii Balandin (gleki) >> > >> > Any of those without an asterisk who now wish to become members should >> > indicate their desire *now*. Anyone, member or non-member may nominat= e >> > someone not present to be invited into membership. If they respond >> quickly >> > and join the meeting, the invitees also can become members, though >> commonly >> > they are provisional until contacted after the meeting, and don't assu= me >> > formal membership until the following year. >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > >> > I will now hear motions to nominate any/all of the asterisked attendee= s >> to >> > become members, or separate motions to nominate anyone else. Any such >> > motion may be seconded without waiting for my acknowledgement. I will >> allow >> > at least until the end of the day Friday (2359 UT 12/12) for such >> motions. >> > >> > Debate on any nomination is in order after it is seconded. >> > >> > lojbab >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Llg-members mailing list >> > Llg-members@lojban.org >> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11c36e18312aad0509e3f03d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I nominate Ozymandias and Ilmen for membership.

And

On 10 Dec 2014 03:06, "Craig Daniel" &= lt;craigbdaniel@gmail.com>= wrote:
For each ast= erisked name on the list plus la .az., I hereby nominate that person as a m= ember of the LLG.

=C2=A0- .kreig.
On T= ue Dec 09 2014 at 7:14:19 PM Ozymandias Haynes <ozymandias.haynes@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
I, Oz, wish to join the Logical = Language Group.

According to the Bylaws the qualifications for membership are

(a) competence in one or more of the fields of science or scholarship
listed in Article 2, above, and/or (b) high personal dedication to the
purposes of The Logical Language Group, Inc. as set forth in that
Article.

and additionally Bob has suggested historically sufficient qualifications
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Working on a project for an extended period of time, especial= ly
one requiring coordination with other lojbanists
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as= web
site maintenance
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as presenting or teaching the language
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to = ask
for membership at a meeting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member

I have been speaking and thinking about the language for about two
years now.=C2=A0 Throughout that time I have been primarily active on
Twitter, along with email correspondence and instant messaging.=C2=A0 My relevant competence is in mathematics.

According to the Bylaws, the purpose of the LLG is in part to =E2=80=9Cprom= ote
the scientific study of the relationships between language, thought
and human culture=E2=80=9D and well as to =E2=80=9Cexperiment with such a l= anguage; to
devise and promote applications for this language in fields including
but not limited to =E2=80=A6 philosophy, logic, mathematics...=E2=80=9D.=C2= =A0 I have
completed and continue to do such work, and some of it has been posted
at http://blog.nomei.la= /.

In particular I have documented and offered a resolution of a logical
error related to the CLL definition of the universal quantifier [1],
which I understand is still controversial; documented and offered a
resolution of the mass entity antinomy which gives a clear account of
the differences and uses of the three plurality types [2]; and most
recently written an extensive analysis of sumti raising based on work
by Quine [3].=C2=A0 I am now engaged in theoretical work on the xorlo gadri=
and am reviewing guskant=E2=80=99s plural logic analysis of them.

Outside of work on the logical foundations of Lojban, I have been
using the language to pose and solve logical puzzles and prove
theorems with full mathematical rigor.=C2=A0 I am currently working on a series of dialogues which attempt to bring that kind of rigor to
nonmathematical discourse, in particular to moral and ontological
argument.

I have worked with Peter Burns (also known as rktk) on a fast,
lightweight dictionary web app called sutsis which is hosted here
http://sutsis.nomei.l= a/.=C2=A0 I have taught him Lojban, and have been
happy to answer questions on Twitter by new speakers as well as
generally promoting actual usage on that service.

Thank you for your consideration.

-Oz

1] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-problem-of-the-problem-of= -any/
2] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-mass-entity-antinomy/ for the = problem
itself and http://blog.nomei.la/indivi= duals-sets-and-mass-entities-theory-and-praxis/
for my resolution.
3] This is more involved than the other posts, so I split it up into
an examination of Quine=E2=80=99s paper
http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-theory/ and the= n worked out
application to Lojbanic expression
http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-praxis/

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder
- LLG <lojbab@loj= ban.org> wrote:
> The next order of business is the proposal of any new members, which t= akes
> place prior to the election of the Board of Directors.
>
> Here is what is written on the web site regarding the qualifications f= or
> membership.
>
>> According to the bylaws, "persons may be named members upon r= ecommendation
>> for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all = the
>> members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy."
>> The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0competence in fields including linguistics, psy= chology, philosophy,
>> logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, edu= cation,
>> and human biology
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0high personal dedication to the purposes of The= Logical Language Group
>> as specified in the bylaws
>>
>> At the 2011 annual meeting, lojbab proposed the following criteria= by
>> which prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the organ= ization as
>> voting members:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Working on a project for an extended period of = time, especially one
>> requiring coordination with other lojbanists
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Assumption of responsibility for non-language c= hores, such as web site
>> maintenance
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbani= sts, such as presenting
>> or teaching the language
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the = initiative to ask for
>> membership at a meeting
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Participating in a meeting as a non-voting memb= er
>
>
> For many years, merely showing up at a meeting was enough to warrant > inviting someone to become a member.=C2=A0 But then we had a period wh= ere people
> would show up at a meeting, become a member, and then lose interest/ac= tivity
> over the following year.=C2=A0 We got to the point where we had troubl= e achieving
> quorum at meetings.=C2=A0 We then went to the opposite extreme, and di= ssuaded
> people from becoming members UNLESS they were explicitly interested in= the
> organizational or business aspects of the language community.=C2=A0 Fo= r the most
> part, it was presumed that language design decisions would be made by = the
> BPFK or some successor thereof.
>
> Language skill is not required, though welcomed.=C2=A0 A movement towa= rds
> requiring such competency and/or conducting meetings at least partiall= y in
> Lojban appeared and then died before the following meeting.=C2=A0 Robi= n Powell,
> who was one of the leaders of that movement, can speak as to the reaso= ns he
> has since changed his mind.
>
> The following are non-members who have reported as being present at th= e
> meeting.=C2=A0 If asterisked, then I know them to have previously expr= essed
> interest in becoming a voting member of LLG.
>
> *Jacob Errington (tsani)
> *Alex Burka (durka)
> *Riley Martinez-Lynch (mukti)
> *Mitsuko Wate (guskant)
> Ozymandias Haynes (az)
> *Miles Forster (selpa'i)
> *Adam Lopresto (xalbo)
> Andrew Browne (dersaidin)
> Sylvain D=C3=A9jardin (ilmen)
> *Arkadii Balandin (gleki)
>
> Any of those without an asterisk who now wish to become members should=
> indicate their desire *now*.=C2=A0 Anyone, member or non-member may no= minate
> someone not present to be invited into membership.=C2=A0 If they respo= nd quickly
> and join the meeting, the invitees also can become members, though com= monly
> they are provisional until contacted after the meeting, and don't = assume
> formal membership until the following year.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> I will now hear motions to nominate any/all of the asterisked attendee= s to
> become members, or separate motions to nominate anyone else.=C2=A0 Any= such
> motion may be seconded without waiting for my acknowledgement.=C2=A0 I= will allow
> at least until the end of the day Friday (2359 UT 12/12) for such moti= ons.
>
> Debate on any nomination is in order after it is seconded.
>
> lojbab
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Llg-members mailing list
> Llg-member= s@lojban.org
> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members<= br>
_______________________________________________
Llg-members mailing list
Llg-members@loj= ban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members

_______________________________________________
Llg-members mailing list
Llg-members@lojban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members

--001a11c36e18312aad0509e3f03d-- --===============7861874168497723098== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --===============7861874168497723098==--