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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: > Could someone make a motion indicating > 1) a vote of confidence in Robin's decision-making with respect to the process of CLL republication (CLL 1.1), including those items that he asked about > 2) authorizing expenditures up to some maximum by Robin or his delegatees for such republication, without need for approval of each such expenditure, up to some > specified limit (I suggest $1000 to $2000 based on Robin's report), with a final report of such expenditures submitted to the Board. [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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IN] [A] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.213.172 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (matt.mattarn[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid Subject: Re: [Llg-members] CLL republication - continuation of the meeting X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2791827254316775500==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2791827254316775500== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ecfc43ea620050c534820 --001a113ecfc43ea620050c534820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Could someone make a motion indicating > 1) a vote of confidence in Robin's decision-making with respect to the process of CLL republication (CLL 1.1), including those items that he asked about > 2) authorizing expenditures up to some maximum by Robin or his delegatees for such republication, without need for approval of each such expenditure, up to some > specified limit (I suggest $1000 to $2000 based on Robin's report), with a final report of such expenditures submitted to the Board. I so move. -Eppcott On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > I have seen no motion regarding Robin's report on CLL republication. > > Could someone make a motion indicating > 1) a vote of confidence in Robin's decision-making with respect to the > process of CLL republication (CLL 1.1), including those items that he asked > about > 2) authorizing expenditures up to some maximum by Robin or his delegatees > for such republication, without need for approval of each such expenditure, > up to some specified limit (I suggest $1000 to $2000 based on Robin's > report), with a final report of such expenditures submitted to the Board. > > Proceeding with the meeting. > > Not to be included in such a motion, but worthy of discussion (after > dealing with the motion), would be > 1) if/how we want to advertise and/or promote the new release > 2) whether the Lojban intro book needs to be amended or updated > 3) whether we want to seek to publish Nick Nicholas/Robin Turner's > textbook via Lightning Source, and whether it needs to be amended/updated > (probably at least to include xorlo) > 4) what will be the next step(s) following CLL 1.1, recognizing that Robin > has indicated his intent to step down as jatna following that > republication. This implicitly includes deciding what (if any) will be the > future of the byfy, which is clearly not working as intended in the motion > that created it (there is no clear membership at this point and will soon > be no leader) > > Any/all of these topics are open for discussion at this time. > > Depending on how much discussion is desired on the topic of CLL and the > future of byfy, I will suggest that we set up a live discussion on IRC at > some fixed time. Because of the enormous range of time zones included in > the membership, and the especial need to make sure Robin can participate, I > am suggesting this live discussion take place on a Sunday. I am proposing > 18 January at 8am Pacific Time, which I think is 3PM UT, and lasting for > 2-3 hours maximum (if more is needed, additional discussions can be > scheduled). This may still not be good for Ali or Oz, but I think that any > time good for them will inherently be bad for others. > > Any motions which emerge from a live discussion will be decided as part of > the regular order, via email, so as to make sure that no members are > excluded from actual decisions. > > Note that we are not waiting until such a discussion period - discussion > of these topics can start immediately, but a live session may shorten the > needed discussion time enormously because of real time response. > > lojbab > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a113ecfc43ea620050c534820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=C2=A0Could someone mak= e a motion indicating
> 1) a vote of confidence in Robin's decision-making wi= th respect to the process of CLL republication (CLL 1.1), including those i= tems that he asked about
> 2) authorizing expenditures up to some maximum by Robi= n or his delegatees for such republication, without need for approval of ea= ch such expenditure, up to some=C2=A0
> specified limit (I suggest $1000 to $2000 based on Robin's re= port), with a final report of such expenditures submitted to the Board.

I so move. -Eppcott

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:35 A= M, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>= wrote:
I have seen no motion rega= rding Robin's report on CLL republication.

Could someone make a motion indicating
1) a vote of confidence in Robin's decision-making with respect to the = process of CLL republication (CLL 1.1), including those items that he asked= about
2) authorizing expenditures up to some maximum by Robin or his delegatees f= or such republication, without need for approval of each such expenditure, = up to some specified limit (I suggest $1000 to $2000 based on Robin's r= eport), with a final report of such expenditures submitted to the Board.
Proceeding with the meeting.

Not to be included in such a motion, but worthy of discussion (after dealin= g with the motion), would be
1) if/how we want to advertise and/or promote the new release
2) whether the Lojban intro book needs to be amended or updated
3) whether we want to seek to publish Nick Nicholas/Robin Turner's text= book via Lightning Source, and whether it needs to be amended/updated (prob= ably at least to include xorlo)
4) what will be the next step(s) following CLL 1.1, recognizing that Robin = has indicated his intent to step down as jatna following that republication= .=C2=A0 This implicitly includes deciding what (if any) will be the future = of the byfy, which is clearly not working as intended in the motion that cr= eated it (there is no clear membership at this point and will soon be no le= ader)

Any/all of these topics are open for discussion at this time.

Depending on how much discussion is desired on the topic of CLL and the fut= ure of byfy, I will suggest that we set up a live discussion on IRC at some= fixed time.=C2=A0 Because of the enormous range of time zones included in = the membership, and the especial need to make sure Robin can participate, I= am suggesting this live discussion take place on a Sunday.=C2=A0 I am prop= osing 18 January at 8am Pacific Time, which I think is 3PM UT, and lasting = for 2-3 hours maximum (if more is needed, additional discussions can be sch= eduled).=C2=A0 This may still not be good for Ali or Oz, but I think that a= ny time good for them will inherently be bad for others.

Any motions which emerge from a live discussion will be decided as part of = the regular order, via email, so as to make sure that no members are exclud= ed from actual decisions.

Note that we are not waiting until such a discussion period - discussion of= these topics can start immediately, but a live session may shorten the nee= ded discussion time enormously because of real time response.

lojbab

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