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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: coi lojbab Thank you for your prompt and considerate response and I do hope you recover from your surgery well. It would be best to post to my new postal address from now (whenever is convenient). My new postal address is: [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in connect.qut.edu.au.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: lojban.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [65.55.169.76 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] --_000_142181761223349641connectquteduau_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi lojbab Thank you for your prompt and considerate response and I do hope you recove= r from your surgery well. It would be best to post to my new postal address from now (whenever is con= venient). My new postal address is: 327 Swann Road St Lucia, Queensland, 4067? Australia I'll try to remember to let you know when it arrives. Thank you for that advice. I recall attempting to sign up to the beginner's= mailing list and being taken to another page where I couldn't quite see wh= ere to sign up. It was from this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Beginner%= 27s+Mailing+List Now I see the instructions (which I presume are more up-to-date?) at: http:= //www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojbanic+Forums I presume I just send a blank email to the addresses listed. The wiki has b= een somewhat confusing for me because some of what I have found appears to = be archives of older processes. I suppose I was hoping for a standardised "prescriptive curriculum" channel= of learning the fundamentals as well. I thought that may have been The Com= plete Lojban Language, but have since realised that's more of a formal lang= uage standard - am I correct? I am still very interested in obtaining it, o= f course, but perhaps I should also purchase a hard copy of some of the oth= er books available in http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Books if they are availabl= e? What would you recommend? I'm very happy to add to my order since you haven= 't yet sent it. Unfortunately Queensland/Brisbane is quite far from Melbourne. I'll endeavo= ur to slowly learn what I can and then see how I can participate :) Many thanks, Timothy E. Diamond Lawrence Programmer and Web Designer Website: www.diamondlawrence.com ________________________________________ From: Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG Sent: Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:35 AM To: Timothy Lawrence Cc: Logical Language Group, Inc. Subject: Re: The Complete Lojban Language On 1/20/2015 3:18 AM, Timothy Lawrence wrote: > Hi there, > I purchased a copy of The Complete Lojban Language just under two months > ago (as below) and I was wondering how close it may be to arriving? I've been unable to do order fulfillment for a couple of months after surgery (couldn't drive to the post office), so your order was never sent, but I've regained most of my capability in the last week (with some limits). I have your order and another one to send out, ideally this week, and could send it to either the stated address or a new address, whichever you prefer. I think most people have gotten their international book orders in around 1-2 weeks, based on their reports back to us, but I have no such time reports from people in Australia. If sending it immediately will make it to the current address, I'll do my best to get it out immediately. Or give me a target date after which it should go to the new address, and I will delay if needed to make sure it gets there instead. > The reason I ask is that I am moving house soon and my previous postal > address won't be valid. If you haven't yet sent it, could I change my > postal address to send to? > > On another note, what are the most active centres of communication in > Lojban and common places for learning Lojban? There is an IRC channel #Lojban where many people gather for lojban text conversation. There are spoken Lojban conversations using "Mumble". For simple questions and answers, most people use the mailing lists (based on Google groups). There is a general Lojban List and a Lojban Beginners List. There are a few Lojbanists located in Australia, including one of our most fluent speakers, Nick Nicolas, who lives in Melbourne. But I don't know that there are any local gatherings (and Nick has been rather inactive of late). lojbab --_000_142181761223349641connectquteduau_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

coi lojbab

Thank you for your prompt and conside= rate response and I do hope you rec= over from your surgery well.

It would be best to post to my new postal address from now (= whenever is convenient). My new = postal address is:

327 Swann Road
St Lucia, Queensland= , 4067​
Australia 

I'll try to remember to let you know when it arrives.

Thank you for that advice. I rec= all attempting to sign up to the beginner's mailing list and being taken t= o another page where I couldn't quite see where to sign up. It was from this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Beginner%27s+Mailing+List
Now I see the instructions (which I presume are more up-to-date?) at:&= nbsp;http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojbanic+Forums
I presume I just send a blank email to the addresses listed. The wiki has been somewhat confusing for me because some of what I have found appears to be archives of older processes. 

I suppose I was hoping for a standardised "prescriptive curr= iculum" channel of learning the fundamentals as well. I thought t= hat may have been The Complete Lojban Language, but have since realised that's more = of a formal language standard - am I correct? I am still very interested in= obtaining it, of course, but perhaps I should also purchase a hard copy of= some of the other books available in ht= tp://www.lojban.org/tiki/Books if they are available?
What would you recommend? I'm very happy to add to my order since you haven= 't yet sent it.

Unfortunately Queensland/Brisbane is quite far from Melbourne. I'= ll endeavour to slowly learn what I can and then see how I can partici= pate :)

Many thanks,

Timothy E. Diamond Lawrence
Programmer and Web Designer

Website: www.d= iamondlawrence.com

________________________________________
From: Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>= ;
Sent: Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:35 AM
To: Timothy Lawrence
Cc: Logical Language Group, Inc.
Subject: Re: The Complete Lojban Language

On 1/20/2015 3:18 AM, Timothy Lawrence wrote:
> Hi there,

> I purchased a copy of The Complete Lojban Language just under two mont= hs
> ago (as below) and I was wondering how close it may be to arriving?
I've been unable to do order fulfillment for a couple of months after
surgery (couldn't drive to the post office), so your order was never
sent, but I've regained most of my capability in the last week (with
some limits).

I have your order and another one to send out, ideally this week, and
could send it to either the stated address or a new address, whichever
you prefer.  I think most people have gotten their international book<= br> orders in around 1-2 weeks, based on their reports back to us, but I
have no such time reports from people in Australia.

If sending it immediately will make it to the current address, I'll do
my best to get it out immediately.  Or give me a target date after whi= ch
it should go to the new address, and I will delay if needed to make sure it gets there instead.

> The reason I ask is that I am moving house soon and my previous postal=
> address won't be valid. If you haven't yet sent it, could I change my<= br> > postal address to send to?
>
> On another note, what are the most active centres of communication in<= br> > Lojban and common places for learning Lojban?

There is an IRC channel  #Lojban where many people gather for lojban text conversation.  There are spoken Lojban conversations using
"Mumble".  For simple questions and answers, most people use= the mailing
lists (based on Google groups).  There is a general Lojban List and a<= br> Lojban Beginners List.

There are a few Lojbanists located in Australia, including one of our
most fluent speakers, Nick Nicolas, who lives in Melbourne.  But I don= 't
know that there are any local gatherings (and Nick has been rather
inactive of late).

lojbab

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