Received: from localhost ([::1]:44433 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yd0Uj-0004yk-V3; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:02:34 -0700 Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com ([74.125.82.43]:34010) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yd0Uc-0004yb-PC for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:02:31 -0700 Received: by wgbdm7 with SMTP id dm7so28149633wgb.1 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:02:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=WYX5sn5tSOpgw3jcNeodlINAIReJK7TDOA4Lp2qJT94=; b=Sk5JAzIW8r+Y2QubFtX+C2CQ3WWtiFjahTMpg0Bptwf2a2D76zHuYlFwJAqpEaqs8Q JCH9GhLg7C37KnNULLgPPpYphgqocoevNwoPvNyRMnfdD2HApm1ae4v9oGLhhF6aJHAd FrjyLW7e1R7Y2hegf1PLAt+sIJpTCu+A0npItHGYiYySZvTFHnSDwreisUQau8ZpBGdp IIxZRG93i7hYneaVjYWUeM85hHyWnol4O4D8bHzmona7I1+6QtHlZCYjn7P7JuJXMBRk WxvDCpG2R+yUGkJ/tMzHc+tTI+VZ0KxlH5JLrunnZvv5Euzmh+ir0e2nKgr731szXnyK VHFQ== X-Received: by 10.180.74.135 with SMTP id t7mr7649374wiv.72.1427824940045; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:02:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <551ADCFF.20709@lojban.org> References: <5502321A.2050208@lojban.org> <551ADCFF.20709@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 21:01:59 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] New Business: other topics X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8318526942509175914==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8318526942509175914== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be0e05a5a520512996682 --f46d043be0e05a5a520512996682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-03-31 20:44 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < lojbab@lojban.org>: > Following are the four topics that have been mentioned for consideration > under New Business. Ali has been most patient for a few months waiting for > us to return to his proposal, so we should probably discuss it first. > Otherwise, I leave it to the membership as to which should be discussed. > > On 3/12/2015 8:40 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > >> 1) Ali's project manager proposal, which should probably be >> re-introduced as a motion for discussion when I call for it. >> > > Dealt with in a separate message. > > 2) Last Sunday, gleki, Ilmen and I, with apparently selpa'i listening >> only, had a patched Skype conversation with a Brian Wernham of a company >> called NooLearn in the UK, and his assistant. They are interested in >> alpha-testing of their software system with a group of Lojbanists, which >> will hopefully create some sort of on-line Lojban courseware (MOOC >> platform (MOOC = Massive Open Online Course)), which would be made >> available to us (and others) under a Creative Commons license. The >> alpha-test would probably involve getting some number of Lojbanists >> together in one place for a half-day closed-room effort at testing/using >> the system, and I think there will be additional online testing that >> people can help asynchronously. >> >> One suggestion was to have this take place as part of LogFest, which I >> understand Pierre is putting together for July either in New York or >> possibly at my place here in Washington DC (or perhaps at a nearby >> hotel, which might be necessary in order to support their test). I >> believe that the organization would be paying for any special needs, and >> might be willing to assist a few people in getting to the test location. >> Another possibility would be to get European Lojbanists together in >> some single locale for the testing. >> >> So in New Business, we will discuss whether the membership wishes LLG to >> support this effort, and whether LogFest is the best time for getting >> together (or whether this might too-seriously disrupt the ability for >> other activities). I believe I have a little more information, but we >> may have to ask the nooLearn group some questions. >> > > Gleki posted on this and seems to think that we do not know enough to > discuss it, so this may have to be passed to the Board for resolution. I'm surprised to hear that any such activity has to be supported by resolutions. People have been making decks of flashcards in Anki, Memrise and what preceded them for a long time. > > 3) gleki wrote: > >> What are the planned actions of the members on producing better textbooks >> and dictionaries? >> > > I have seen no discussion of this topic. Are any members interested in > the topic (other than gleki and myself)? > > 4) guskant wrote: > >> I posted a message on the topic "2014 Annual Meeting - Breaking >> isolation between communities" in December. I suggested in the message >> creating a periodical (annual or more frequent) to connect isolated >> communities of Lojban to each other. Articles from various communities >> of Lojban should be inserted in an issue. I suggest each article is >> bilingual of Lojban and a main Language of the community. The format >> should be at least html, pdf, epub and mobi. The website of >> publication should _not_ be on Google, because PRC blocks most sites >> of Google. >> >> We will need to make call for contribution in every possible community. >> La gleki can make contact with communities in Russia. >> I can do it with communities in PRC and those in Japan. >> A community in HongKong/Taiwan is very open to the rest of the world, >> and everyone has access to it. >> Possibly there are communities in Pakistan. Besides Ali, I have a >> Pakistani friend who learns Lojban. >> Moreover, I recently found someone speaks on Lojban in Arabic, and >> there might be going to be born an Arabic speakers' community in near >> future: >> https://youtu.be/kBr6U0U4XYQ >> > > Again, there has been no discussion. Is there interest among the > membership? > Looks like magazines are declining in their popularity in general. That can explain why people aren't very interested in them. These days people are more used to short pieces of information, not lengthy magazines or books. An appropriate format is to be found, maybe something like a newsfeed where you get new articles one by one, not complete issues. or just a blog where you can subscribe only to articles marked with certain tags and where articles are premoderated thus preventing mailing list rants and mess of unsolved issues. Thus in such a newsfeed you will get a stream of high quality articles with final (not initial) opinions of proficient Lojbanists. > > If no one wants to talk about any of the New Business items, we should > probably end this meeting. I will give until the end of day Friday for > someone to show signs of discussion on one of these or possibly some other > topic. If not, I will adjourn the meeting. > > lojbab > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --f46d043be0e05a5a520512996682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-03-31 20:44 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG= <lojbab@lojban.org>:
Following are the four topics that have been mentioned for con= sideration under New Business.=C2=A0 Ali has been most patient for a few mo= nths waiting for us to return to his proposal, so we should probably discus= s it first.=C2=A0 Otherwise, I leave it to the membership as to which shoul= d be discussed.

On 3/12/2015 8:40 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote:
1) Ali's project manager proposal, which should probably be
re-introduced as a motion for discussion when I call for it.

 Dealt with in a separate message.

2) Last Sunday, gleki, Ilmen and I, with apparently selpa'i listening only, had a patched Skype conversation with a Brian Wernham of a company called NooLearn in the UK, and his assistant.=C2=A0 They are interested in<= br> alpha-testing of their software system with a group of Lojbanists, which will hopefully create some sort of on-line Lojban courseware (MOOC
platform (MOOC =3D Massive Open Online Course)), which would be made
available to us (and others) under a Creative Commons license.=C2=A0 The alpha-test would probably involve getting some number of Lojbanists
together in one place for a half-day closed-room effort at testing/using the system, and I think there will be additional online testing that
people can help asynchronously.

One suggestion was to have this take place as part of LogFest, which I
understand Pierre is putting together for July either in New York or
possibly at my place here in Washington DC (or perhaps at a nearby
hotel, which might be necessary in order to support their test).=C2=A0 I believe that the organization would be paying for any special needs, and might be willing to assist a few people in getting to the test location. =C2=A0 Another possibility would be to get European Lojbanists together in<= br> some single locale for the testing.

So in New Business, we will discuss whether the membership wishes LLG to support this effort, and whether LogFest is the best time for getting
together (or whether this might too-seriously disrupt the ability for
other activities).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I believe I have a little more information, = but we
may have to ask the nooLearn group some questions.

 Gleki posted on this and seems to think that we do not know enough to discu= ss it, so this may have to be passed to the Board for resolution.

I'm surprised to hear that any such activity has= to be supported by resolutions. People have been making decks of flashcard= s in Anki, Memrise and what preceded them for a long time.



3) gleki wrote:
What are the planned actions of the members on producing better textbooks a= nd dictionaries?

 I have seen no discussion of this topic.=C2=A0 Are any members interested i= n the topic (other than gleki and myself)?

4) guskant wrote:
I posted a message on the topic "2014 Annual Meeting - Breaking
isolation between communities" in December. I suggested in the message=
creating a periodical (annual or more frequent) to connect isolated
communities of Lojban to each other. Articles from various communities
of Lojban should be inserted in an issue. I suggest each article is
bilingual of Lojban and a main Language of the community. The format
should be at least html, pdf, epub and mobi. The website of
publication should _not_ be on Google, because PRC blocks most sites
of Google.

We will need to make call for contribution in every possible community.
La gleki can make contact with communities in Russia.
I can do it with communities in PRC and those in Japan.
A community in HongKong/Taiwan is very open to the rest of the world,
and everyone has access to it.
Possibly there are communities in Pakistan. Besides Ali, I have a
Pakistani friend who learns Lojban.
Moreover, I recently found someone speaks on Lojban in Arabic, and
there might be going to be born an Arabic speakers' community in near future:
https://youtu.be= /kBr6U0U4XYQ

 Again, there has been no discussion.=C2=A0 Is there interest among the memb= ership?

Looks like magazines are declin= ing in their popularity in general. That can explain why people aren't = very interested in them.
These days people are more used to short= pieces of information, not lengthy magazines or books.
An approp= riate format is to be found, maybe something like a newsfeed where you get = new articles one by one, not complete issues. or just a blog where you can = subscribe only to articles marked with certain tags and where articles are = premoderated thus preventing mailing list rants and mess of unsolved issues= . Thus in such a newsfeed you will get a stream of high quality articles wi= th final (not initial) opinions of proficient Lojbanists.
=C2=A0<= /div>

If no one wants to talk about any of the New Business items, we should prob= ably end this meeting.=C2=A0 I will give until the end of day Friday for so= meone to show signs of discussion on one of these or possibly some other to= pic.=C2=A0 If not, I will adjourn the meeting.=C2=A0


lojbab

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