Received: from localhost ([::1]:37152 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YfYAs-0004QY-Lh; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:24:34 -0700 Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com ([209.85.192.179]:32789) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YfYAl-0004Q4-7H for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:24:31 -0700 Received: by pdbnk13 with SMTP id nk13so87246173pdb.0 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:24:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6wJLJLVdsIfk1B12IYCzgK69Rv2NgzetvLWhPo0no6U=; b=U/1WBlY615+9cCZl4g5ZMfmecbuGTNYkV0C0UtmJ1ruia4HmavJ9EFZvKSb8x0lzo8 n2ZTnFkMs4UbhCEYSYPRrpZjCLH+B83gi0VQT1jNGRe9VzgubNTe/BaaSxKmmsdD4W3o p3RNgCeMcIj67AlznWEME2DTEc1AqoeSCLtDvaGI/HkNgiZN+winNKtepfjortCRcsGL IbcRTvhHC6oJE1x0uFs6gZipcS+1hIKDVK6IbbdAnagO8LqZa1pdwDSfH6zl+3OrfNgK AoCkkXlbQXQkTigBhSj36pwoNzbraHqhMkQ3m8SyKfHQhdQZbNQIAM7RmvAtNByJ97/1 upZg== X-Received: by 10.68.248.98 with SMTP id yl2mr38315653pbc.41.1428431060750; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:24:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Craig Daniel Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 18:24:20 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Detailed Proposal of a Project Manager X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7000264580575224313==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7000264580575224313== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e0a7ff65975051326853e --047d7b2e0a7ff65975051326853e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You have a candidate in mind. Is there a reason you haven't disclosed who it is? On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:46 PM Ali Sajid Imami wrote: > I honestly do not have an empirical basis for this, but the 25 hours I > suggested was based on the current and projected social media activity, and > the volume of chat in #lojban. I think 25 hours is probably the ceiling. > > Also, I had the US minimum wage in mind more than PK minimum wage. The > reasoning being the massive conversion gap: 1 USD is approximately 100 PKR. > So a US minimum wage ish thing, between $8 to $10 an hour. We need a > project manager, not a sweatshop worker. This would arguably be expensive > but we can honestly check the efficacy and see if it's worth it. Just as a > comparison, a laborer who has a job here makes more than $12.50. Somewhat > around $15. > > I think we can do a discussion about the hour estimation, and sign this > person on for a 3 month trial. If they work out, we sign them on for 9 more > months. And from that point on, we get the contract annually. > > Also, to answer your question, And, yes. The person is very quick in > picking up languages and would learn it in a matter of weeks if the > conversation keeps happening around her. As in, she doesn't know lojban yet > but is aware of the principles and is learning it slowly. > > > > Regards, > Ali Sajid Imami > CTO > Khabaristan Times > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:13 PM, And Rosta wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ali Sajid Imami < >> ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I already have a candidate in mind, someone I implicitly trust and have >>> worked with in similar situations. The willingness will be a huge plus, >>> although not necessarily a requirement. >>> >> >> Do you mean that your candidate would be willing to work in Lojban when >> their interlocutors prefer it? That's a big bonus. >> >> >> >>> >>> I'd calculate the position to be about 25 hours a week. With about 100 >>> hours a month should be fair. I think we can pay them off LLGs current >>> account, as a contractor. I know LLG can't have an employee but I think we >>> are allowed contractors. Something slightly above minimum wage for a person >>> in Pakistan would be more than enough for this position. >>> >> >> Is there really so much work of the sort you described, 1200 hours per >> year? I'd have guesstimated 200--400 hours per year, but with very little >> empirical basis for that. >> >> My googling suggests that the full-time PK minimum wage is $110 (USD) per >> month. On first-world-ish assumptions of a 37 hour week and a month of paid >> holiday, that's 147 hours per month. So the cost of 1200 hrs per year would >> be c $75 per month ($900 a year), and the cost of 200--400 hrs per year >> would be c $12.50--$25 per month ($150--$300 a year). Do those sums match >> what you had in mind? >> >> If so, what about, say, a trial, initially for a year, for $12.50 a month >> for an average of 16.7 hours a month? Make any necessary adjustments so >> that the rate of pay is not arseholey or unconscionably exploitative. If >> it's a roaring success and the funds are available, then it could be >> increased. >> >> --And. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7b2e0a7ff65975051326853e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You have a candidate in mind. Is there a reason you haven&= #39;t disclosed who it is?

On Tue, = Apr 7, 2015 at 1:46 PM Ali Sajid Imami <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com> wrote:
I honestly do not have an empirical basis= for this, but the 25 hours I suggested was based on the current and projec= ted social media activity, and the volume of chat in #lojban. I think 25 ho= urs is probably the ceiling.

Also, I had the US minimum wage in mind= more than PK minimum wage. The reasoning being the massive conversion gap:= 1 USD is approximately 100 PKR. So a US minimum wage ish thing, between $8= to $10 an hour. We need a project manager, not a sweatshop worker. This wo= uld arguably be expensive but we can honestly check the efficacy and see if= it's worth it. Just as a comparison, a laborer who has a job here make= s more than $12.50. Somewhat around $15.

I think we can do a discuss= ion about the hour estimation, and sign this person on for a 3 month trial.= If they work out, we sign them on for 9 more months. And from that point o= n, we get the contract annually.

Also, to answer your question, And,= yes. The person is very quick in picking up languages and would learn it i= n a matter of weeks if the conversation keeps happening around her. As in, = she doesn't know lojban yet but is aware of the principles and is learn= ing it slowly.



Regards,
Ali Sajid Imami
CTO=

On Tue, Apr= 7, 2015 at 10:13 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrot= e:


On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:05 = PM, Ali Sajid Imami <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com> wrot= e:
I already have a candidate in mind, someon= e I implicitly trust and have worked with in similar situations. The willin= gness will be a huge plus, although not necessarily a requirement.

Do you mean that your candid= ate would be willing to work in Lojban when their interlocutors prefer it? = That's a big bonus.

=C2=A0

I'd calculate the position to be about 25 hours = a week. With about 100 hours a month should be fair. I think we can pay the= m off LLGs current account, as a contractor. I know LLG can't have an e= mployee but I think we are allowed contractors. Something slightly above mi= nimum wage for a person in Pakistan would be more than enough for this posi= tion.=C2=A0

Is there rea= lly so much work of the sort you described, 1200 hours per year? I'd ha= ve guesstimated 200--400 hours per year, but with very little empirical bas= is for that.

My googling suggests that the full-ti= me PK minimum wage is $110 (USD) per month. On first-world-ish assumptions = of a 37 hour week and a month of paid holiday, that's 147 hours per mon= th. So the cost of 1200 hrs per year would be c $75 per month ($900 a year)= , and the cost of 200--400 hrs per year would be c $12.50--$25 per month ($= 150--$300 a year). Do those sums match what you had in mind?=C2=A0

If so, what about, say, a trial, initially for a year, for= $12.50 a month for an average of 16.7 hours a month? Make any necessary ad= justments so that the rate of pay is not arseholey or unconscionably exploi= tative. If it's a roaring success and the funds are available, then it = could be increased.

= --And.

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