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2015-05-03 15:55 GMT+00:00 Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org>:
> On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 11:45:59AM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>> I'm not aware of any official logos of LLG. In fact I know that only Lojban
>> logo was approved.
>>
>> So I propose approving of the following vector images:
>>
>> 1. Make the following vector image the official flag of Lojban:
>> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:creka_lojban-2400.svg
>>
>> 2. Make the following vector image the official logo of LLG:
>> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:lojban_logo_cizra.svg
>>
>> The meeting is over and now we can only approve anything unofficially.
>
> As far as I understand, the former symbol has been the official symbol for both Lojban the language, and the LLG, for a number of years. In my opinion it should remain so, for reasons of continuity.
>
> I have no objections against using it as a flag, but doubt if we need a formal decision to do so.
>
> I also think that creating the latter symbol was a mistake, and that it should preferably not be used at all, much less adopted officially.
>

I totally agree to Arnt Ricard Johansen. According to {lu ju'i lobypli
li'u 14 moi},  the former one
http://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:creka_lojban-2400.svg is also a symbol
for LLG:

http://mw.lojban.org/papri/me_lu_ju%27i_lobypli_li%27u_14_moi
"[...] there is a commercial purpose to the logo. It is a symbol for
la lojbangirz. as well as, and possibly more than, for the language
(this unfortunately may not have been in the minds of the designers
and voters, but, oh well). [...]"

If we should decide an svg file to be official, the colors might be
considered as official. If so, the colors should not be in codes
#ff0000 and #0000ff , which are the current colors of the svg file for
the former symbol.

I _don't_ think the combination of colors should be decided as
official, and I'm not sure that the colors were also an agreed
property of logo. Even if the colors should be decided as official,
colors of a logo should _not_ be composed of _primary_ colors in
considering color-blindness.  Several days ago, I suggested a
combination of #ff5252 as red and #2e2eff as blue for favicon of
mediawiki website, though it seems to be rejected by la gleki:
http://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:LMW_favikon_blanu.ico
(Because it is designed as a favicon, it shows only a part of the full
form of logo for aesthetic reason.)
I checked with Inkscape if this combination of colors is visible to
color-blind people on various brightness of color of background, and
it should be fine.

As for the latter symbol
http://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:lojban_logo_cizra.svg , even if it was
or will be discussed as a candidate for LLG logo, I would oppose it.
People may use it as an unofficial symbol, but it is not suitable as
an official design, because I don't think {lo se jbobau} should have
two arms and two legs. Official design should be in more universal
design. (This reason was my motivation for creating my {bripre}:
http://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_bripre .)

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