Received: from localhost ([::1]:47964 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z286u-0006lV-Fx; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 18:13:50 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net ([68.230.241.213]:34859) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z286n-0006kz-9h for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 18:13:46 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150609011335.YWWU18129.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 21:13:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.242.63]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id e1Da1q00K1Nn1eG011DaN4; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:13:34 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.55763DBE.015D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=f9OW8pOM c=1 sm=1 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:17 a=FvAEXBeo5g4A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=VUiYtIgnwbGGfDK7y_AA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=kD8ETIee7ia6BVa3:21 a=9kHPVGInfJTgYJSa:21 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <55763DBE.303@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 21:13:34 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] paedagogics: about techniques of passive accumulation of Lojban X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org Probably better if sent (also) to the main list, since it is a topic that non-members might have opinions/willingness to help On 6/7/2015 1:13 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Since "learn grammar" methods are showing their failure to teach Lojban > over and over again (not absolutely but significantly) a number of steps > have been taken lately to combat them. Please identify what constitutes a "learn grammar" method, as opposed to, say, using CLL and/or Lojban For Beginners? Is a textbook needed/useful with a substantially different approach, and how should it differ? In what way can we tell that "learn grammar" methods are "showing their failure"? In what way(s) does the NooLearn project address or fail to address these issues? Could they incorporate aspects of your proposed Pimsleur method in their project. Is there really all that much advantage to focus a learning method on the audio components, given that a huge percentage of the Lojban-interested community is solely interested in reading/writing the language, since they are unlikely to actually use the language in everyday life (as opposed to in specially arranged sessions on Skype)? lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members