Received: from localhost ([::1]:59512 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z6fSE-0001v7-Eg; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 06:38:34 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com ([209.85.212.175]:34338) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z6fS3-0001uU-CK for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 06:38:29 -0700 Received: by wicnd19 with SMTP id nd19so54805408wic.1 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 06:38:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Gzz0cDRWPw8Y1z/4Xt80mHEm/0oBft66V6Fcwm3d4RI=; b=daEKM/AT9WWqVvThcaYD9xl97S5Jr09bG+HVFIUF6iFN0Tdr9RVp7S5N2OgMi/HkH8 2wAmpJTDvKPaQoA4PehuuTUntjpr9vpWWWkUpBH5KYcLsmhi7gc0akIk2yb+v6Qa2NPJ rCmnr1B1354on+2hUEkeR+nAtHHFZOPSK2gFDngMoMaycagjKbji34lVwXLUDHyfA+rI gn7gjKKCz8xBkufrvHBDqJ9rkgjEdG9X6ilcyRDHTozK6uT2d2iEEEqXdOXBVB0N7ycB wNB9t9/1ju3BcbAipgz+5Y50wYiM0LK4gPZ3Tc4PDgcNi7QaIMwbBGHYhEG74VjMZK3I vDgA== X-Received: by 10.181.25.234 with SMTP id it10mr23601448wid.41.1434893896583; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 06:38:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55858B42.7050005@lojban.org> <55866537.8030409@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:37:57 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Draft minutes of 2014 meeting X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7333682280431667602==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7333682280431667602== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1136cbd8ff119305190744c5 --001a1136cbd8ff119305190744c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if this passes i suggest that you remove all references and mentions of la gleki replacing it with the real name. since LLG is a legal thing. but ofc. if it doesnt pass then the other way around is needed. 2015-06-21 15:19 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch : > If more people want to take a stand on this, I=E2=80=99d be glad to take = direction. > > I intentionally used legal names in recording the member and board > elections, and otherwise did not pursue a deliberate policy. Even on this > point I wasn=E2=80=99t sure: The very first LLG meeting minutes record th= e fact > that =E2=80=9CAthelstan=E2=80=9D joined LLG and the board of directors: = He is nowhere > identified except by that name. I remember reading in the mailing list > archives a defense that was mounted in favor of Athelstan using that name > exclusively. > I guess this policy like with Athelstan needs to be changed. But for BPFK I think nicknames are fine provided that the head of BPFK is a member of LLG and thus can be legally referred to (as to a real person). > > In any case, even though they have disclosed their legal names, I have > never personally addressed members such as gleki, Ilmen, selpa=E2=80=99i,= or > guskant except by their lojbo cmene. I have also observed others respecti= ng > the apparent preference of these members for their adopted names. When > selpa=E2=80=99i was elected to chair BPFK, for example, he was nominated = and > seconded by that name and none other. > > > On Jun 21, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > > > On 6/20/2015 10:52 PM, Alex Burka wrote: > >> Thanks for doing this. I read through the page and fixed a minor typo. > >> One thing I noticed is that in the sections about elections, members a= re > >> named by their legal names. In some later sections, they are named by > >> their IRC/email usernames. (Personally, I prefer the usernames because= I > >> recognize them!) Either way, I think they should either be consistent, > >> or when the members are listed, it should say "Alex Burka (aka la > >> durka)" etc. > > > > For the roll call, we need legal names (and ideally > language/nationality) since the minutes are a legal record requirement, a= nd > someone looking at the minutes years from now likely won't know the > usernames. I don't think that there would be a problem using aka > identified usernames thereafter. > > > > > > lojbab > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Llg-members mailing list > > Llg-members@lojban.org > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a1136cbd8ff119305190744c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
if this passes i suggest that you remove all references an= d mentions of la gleki replacing it with the real name. since LLG is a lega= l thing. but ofc. if it doesnt pass then the other way around is needed.


2015-06-21 15:19 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gma= il.com>:
If more people wan= t to take a stand on this, I=E2=80=99d be glad to take direction.

I intentionally used legal names in recording the member and board election= s, and otherwise did not pursue a deliberate policy. Even on this point I w= asn=E2=80=99t sure: The very first LLG meeting minutes record the fact that= =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CAthelstan=E2=80=9D joined LLG and the board of directors: H= e is nowhere identified except by that name. I remember reading in the mail= ing list archives a defense that was mounted in favor of Athelstan using th= at name exclusively.

I guess this polic= y like with Athelstan needs to be changed. But for BPFK I think nicknames a= re fine provided that the head of BPFK is a member of LLG and thus can be l= egally referred to (as to a real person).
=C2=A0

In any case, even though they have disclosed their legal names, I have neve= r personally addressed members such as gleki, Ilmen, selpa=E2=80=99i, or gu= skant except by their lojbo cmene. I have also observed others respecting t= he apparent preference of these members for their adopted names. When selpa= =E2=80=99i was elected to chair BPFK, for example, he was nominated and sec= onded by that name and none other.

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
>
> On 6/20/2015 10:52 PM, Alex Burka wrote:
>> Thanks for doing this. I read through the page and fixed a minor t= ypo.
>> One thing I noticed is that in the sections about elections, membe= rs are
>> named by their legal names. In some later sections, they are named= by
>> their IRC/email usernames. (Personally, I prefer the usernames bec= ause I
>> recognize them!) Either way, I think they should either be consist= ent,
>> or when the members are listed, it should say "Alex Burka (ak= a la
>> durka)" etc.
>
> For the roll call, we need legal names (and ideally language/nationali= ty) since the minutes are a legal record requirement, and someone looking a= t the minutes years from now likely won't know the usernames.=C2=A0 I d= on't think that there would be a problem using aka identified usernames= thereafter.
>
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> lojbab
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