Received: from localhost ([::1]:42647 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ1Al-0005Zs-3t; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:01:59 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f52.google.com ([74.125.82.52]:34717) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ1Ah-0005Ys-FV for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:01:57 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f52.google.com with SMTP id b205so44461806wmb.1 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:01:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xMMiR7OfVAfYtneTYGMdysLVydsgyb2QZH3T9LMd+Rg=; b=vqbNm+DENR37XRNgmeest6azV51zwtNKmQcX8DqDKoKoRqNr4tAuOy/jICcPtuUpRS VSuP6fVVHunGFvu3vgnPhQ2Yh9W+yg8uS+pOBCXZQddf6XAAcBJCPKL4/26aCC0jJeDa cpAbRJNZPkGU0zItFnJ5UcZbZYyyVZJSe9uIPiVV2jHBh3t4mjVKaT3hXYitTUNjfzzF 7IpHAzeEGZm4pOmI5COT9wYjJvKiOOIfU/y2Z1EFOymWM1HrRGQlXStZMFtEMKyrNw36 ALRMt1GDYynmsgLsIbbEIWwtcZ19ZCP6TAHH6UnUkXexxApYCbU7Ypt9H0vz1kP07jJP wG0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=xMMiR7OfVAfYtneTYGMdysLVydsgyb2QZH3T9LMd+Rg=; b=d2eyO+Z9hASj6APXamSxcoSND5/PrMS/ChKXVHYrfAPtc8PJT6OaSCjaHDiMo/UcW2 tb5qmV2hTNVzdaKoIUabFvoh880GhUP3aSOWT39dEhlbuWHZTAy49XrS5BrpcxKsqiGA /nHx08TCEVeA6HxJU6xqNJaZy2ZSNgl5R3fRydfj+uQKkuV9n74RFt3TJ9qiU6PS9Oyv Ofw0DWqZP1yxLqxFDhUV42rp2vpuJLPyOsf43WJI0yOmNixojQspBEVCJR/vSNqnZaTM h1dJvWai67fkos7zbJda4UZULOr5Y7hArXtXXLKDEJzw87C2SsVynhr8RXRsQKfH4Tt3 TV1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSg5S93awu40cShOvdDlYAZpnImo6UhxCU37YkrhlDkLpxcjwnWVjBGQf68L8ESwAZuIErgzL2Y/tIOwg== X-Received: by 10.28.128.86 with SMTP id b83mr217957wmd.27.1456426908751; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:01:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.91.210 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:01:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56CF4028.70700@lojban.org> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <9AC7ACDB-A395-4564-8340-20876DAB07CA@gmail.com> <56CC9C72.4040908@lojban.org> <56CF4028.70700@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 22:01:09 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting - response to discussion X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6873242806742904625==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6873242806742904625== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11418fd2899d91052c9cd0a2 --001a11418fd2899d91052c9cd0a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-02-25 20:55 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > On 2/23/2016 1:10 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> 2016-02-23 20:52 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier > >: >> >> As to the discussion of what LLG should be doing (which I stayed out >> of), I will try to be brief. >> >> IMO, no one should be working on CLL 2.0 at this time (unless the >> bpfk jatna has chosen to do so as a means of moving byfy work along). >> >> >> I would add that everyone is free and even advised to fork >> https://github.com/lojban/cll/tree/docbook-prince-cll-2.0 branch on >> github and continue working on these branches. >> >> Of course, they are all unofficial but since it's a lot of work when LLG >> or BPFK or other entities decide to apply something officially they >> might need your work. >> > > .oi This is not a useful email. > > The average person has no idea how to do anything on github.com, which is > just a random website name to me. I vaguely recognize "docbook" and > "prince" as words that Robin has used in talking about the CLL publishing > effort, but I know nothing more than that (and probably don't want to). > > I have no idea why I would fork that address, or what that would > accomplish. Since most of us have no and aren't involved in publishing > CLL, we would (and should) have no clue how to "continue working" on > something that is hopefully almost done. > > If you are referring to some version of CLL after Robin's version, you > seem to have ignored what I just posted that you responded to - that no one > should be working on them in the absence of some direction by the byfy > jatna. Otherwise what "work" could meaningfully be done, since a change to > CLL reflects an official change to the language specification, which can > only be done byfy. > > I suspect that a lot more would be done by new people if people who post > stuff like this would presume that most people who will read it have no > idea what is being talked about, and thus include some general context and > maybe a few links that explain what is being done, by whom, and why someone > might want to get involved. > I just mean that your words "no one should be working on CLL 2.0 at this time" might be considered as "do nothing". You yourself said that we need lo zukte, not only lo casnu. So some people already started exploring CLL in terms of what can be done to it. Banning any activity is impossible since people are interested in CLL. As for github.com it's where CLL is stored among other places and where Robin put its final version. > -------- > > In any event, I posted on the members list as part of the meeting, as a > response to discussion about goals for LLG as an organization. Specific > discussions about what to do (on github or elsewhere) and how to do it > should be moved to the main list, so the meeting can try to focus on making > decisions. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a11418fd2899d91052c9cd0a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-02-25 20:55 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org><= /span>:
On 2/23/2016 1:10 PM, Gleki Ar= xokuna wrote:
2016-02-23 20:52 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org
 <mailto:lojbab@lo= jban.org>>:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 As to the discussion of what LLG should be doing (which I sta= yed out
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of), I will try to be brief.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IMO, no one should be working on CLL 2.0 at this time (unless= the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 bpfk jatna has chosen to do so as a means of moving byfy work= along).


 I would add that everyone is free and even advised to fork
https://github.com/lojban/cll/tree/docboo= k-prince-cll-2.0 branch on
github and continue working on these branches.

Of course, they are all unofficial but since it's a lot of work when LL= G
or BPFK or other entities decide to apply something officially they
might need your work.

.oi This is not a useful email.

The average person has no idea how to do anything on github.com, which is just = a random website name to me.=C2=A0 I vaguely recognize "docbook" = and "prince" as words that Robin has used in talking about the CL= L publishing effort, but I know nothing more than that (and probably don= 9;t want to).

I have no idea why I would fork that address, or what that would accomplish= .=C2=A0 Since most of us have no and aren't involved in publishing CLL,= we would (and should) have no clue how to "continue working" on = something that is hopefully almost done.

If you are referring to some version of CLL after Robin's version, you = seem to have ignored what I just posted that you responded to - that no one= should be working on them in the absence of some direction by the byfy jat= na.=C2=A0 Otherwise what "work" could meaningfully be done, since= a change to CLL reflects an official change to the language specification,= which can only be done byfy.

I suspect that a lot more would be done by new people if people who post st= uff like this would presume that most people who will read it have no idea = what is being talked about, and thus include some general context and maybe= a few links that explain what is being done, by whom, and why someone migh= t want to get involved.

I just mean tha= t your words "no one should be working on CLL 2.0 at this time" m= ight be considered as "do nothing".

You = yourself said that we need lo zukte, not only lo casnu.

So some people already started exploring CLL in terms of what can be = done to it.

Banning any activity is impossible sin= ce people are interested in CLL.

As for github.com it's where CLL is stored among other= places and where Robin put its final version.



--------

In any event, I posted on the members list as part of the meeting, as a res= ponse to discussion about goals for LLG as an organization.=C2=A0 Specific = discussions about what to do (on github or elsewhere) and how to do it shou= ld be moved to the main list, so the meeting can try to focus on making dec= isions.



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