Received: from localhost ([::1]:35674 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aaO3r-0006jM-3M; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:40:31 -0800 Received: from mail-lf0-f51.google.com ([209.85.215.51]:36230) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aaO3l-0006hh-QS for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:40:29 -0800 Received: by mail-lf0-f51.google.com with SMTP id l83so44160962lfd.3 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:40:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=5UnOSX2Qj2ImUQ0XvWKFp58B+6PzPbWlEVMZCPm9R3c=; b=xQhDlAzpcjnIJ+pbZyOTcZGcGf2xg8TzzvH6avlv+3uB6fzfaZKPwxOD1k/XHgrvIu w/7wtR4dFM66PULwFiTQiJUOKOba+7hFljrdBClkEsWfHsnb404HaNdJuy/ur1y/uy5F GuzxN5nxzWIE6djVkCuSMSQG0xhfgmTLh/iKeRKDbNGLeQeGgbw7yzr2ALKB8JxbA+5c cGle4otN/Z7UF7D6mC592CrLMyGsVTjMsGBPXU9PdtSz8Q1pdZWLjJSuO7tjkI2+MW0z q5UnsdxCtvQkjzIs/6/2KHvpEGmoa6+rDG+tiJUlDMsZMLlqQLKvo7Ce0YCyMkPSo0Xh KWuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=5UnOSX2Qj2ImUQ0XvWKFp58B+6PzPbWlEVMZCPm9R3c=; b=GHAui66KkLMpwtIQzJGFjfY87/ZBLv9LnXRVooDP/1ra0WEHIhVNWq9bOeUYywhHPa UES+pK2uR+4KJb6tPpZcx/TRodNneBiK8AJQ2ia+IOPkHMk/aeK+lrVSq3PqJkhh+71k czNJ5qDXvFxNNgfe8VA3s1ib0bu1iqhsp+RwNjA6EoSSCFupWfZLf3AMjZ9VUVIYmtZj uy7mPrv9KHpNJX+ofWtp9i5KY0tRJ043uc86/8k24+v0Tbigle7XfGIR0mXROtRTZKMy qZVBh+tpXCBYROhywrEDeP8tCXBS3rM7t47bfdS7W3neMkUXnLEKKqETtzSj/sU0lb9l cTgA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIdi4zDR8lvGyysAM4bfyVwsQ0zjdSBTgDJIW4IK9GgPVMtKYKVo96CXxnmfEWPoD72czd1KV/r2+1mUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.165.133 with SMTP id o127mr5545264lfe.105.1456753218616; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.43.143 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.43.143 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:40:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D74856F-2DE5-4D2D-B748-86FE1EA42ECC@gmail.com> <56D43C1B.8030802@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:40:18 +0500 Message-ID: From: Ali Sajid Imami To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Demand for depriving Gleki of his administratorship and of official-pretending accounts. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3278013028358509818==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3278013028358509818== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11411c341f02fe052ce8caf5 --001a11411c341f02fe052ce8caf5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As far as a chief information officer is condemned, I volunteer to take over all of that responsibility. I'll respond to the rest of it in a bit. On Feb 29, 2016 18:15, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > 2016-02-29 15:39 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < > lojbab@lojban.org>: > >> Note that since Robin was Secretary/Treasurer for the last decade and a >> half, the Board doesn't even know whether lojban.org is owned by LLG or >> by Robin himself. Nor do we know the ownership of similar named URLs ( >> lojban.com, lojban.edu, lojban.biz, etc, which we might have a >> legitimate claim to - at one time a couple of these were donated to us, but >> I don't know if they were ever used). >> > > An excerpt of a private conversation a few months ago: > > 11:49 coi. btw, who is in charge of not losing lojban.org, > lojban.com etc. addresses? mukti or you? > 11:50 Me > 11:52 I get email from our registrar well in advance. > 11:52 And I take that particular email *very* seriously. > 11:53 Losing lojban.org would *SUCK*. > 11:53 it will immediately be bought by bots. > 11:53 Exactly that, yes. > 11:53 s/will/would/ > 11:53 Like, instantly. > 11:53 I believe I have it on auto-renew, in fact. > 11:54 Indeed. > > > Regarding https://github.com/lojban/ > > It's owned by 24 people, including Riley (our Treasurer). Some owners are > not even LLG members as you may guess from that number. > The https://github.com/lojban/cll/tree/docbook-prince branch could be > made kinda official. > But in practice if an account of one of those 24 people is hacked we can > do nothing to restore our repositories there. > > So I think it's better to store all those repositories backed up on our > (or Robin's at this period of history) servers. > > I don't see why other branches of the same repository must be official. I > made a proposal to BPFK to make one official but even that was largely > ignored (which I think doesn't matter provided that unofficial preparations > are done somewhere and the results of such activities are public). And it > wasn't even LLG. > > It'd be also nice to share LLG Youtube accounts, Reddit, Facebook and > Twitter accounts between several LLG members so that they can post and > reply to questions. Maybe some rules should be developed. > > Note that the Treasurer now possesses accounts to Youtube/Gmail and > Twitter. > As for other mentioned websites they are even more unofficial. > > I'd suggest first concentrate one lojban.org and mw.lojban.org in > particular and pages published there. > I think Robin is still the best person to own those domains. > > As for the status of officiality I suggest just making an agreement > outside legal language. > In short, I think we all can make to an agreement of our behavior on de > facto Robin's websites. > > I'm pretty sure it won't be nice to ask Robin to pass us those domains > (see my excerpt). Who among us knows technical details better than he does? > > P.S. by they way, why not start a new rival site at lojban.com? any > volunteers? E.g. it can be made more polished than the current "wiki" one. > Imagine a static website with nice menus, nice and complete website > structure, with subdomains for speakers of different languages. > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11411c341f02fe052ce8caf5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As far as a chief information officer is condemned, I volunt= eer to take over all of that responsibility.

I'll respond to the rest of it in a bit.

On Feb 29, 2016 18:15, "Gleki Arxokuna"= ; <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.= com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">

2= 016-02-29 15:39 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lo= jbab@lojban.org>:
Note that since Robin was Secretary/Treasurer for the last decade = and a half, the Board doesn't even know whether lojban.org is owned by LLG = or by Robin himself.=C2=A0 Nor do we know the ownership of similar named UR= Ls (lojb= an.com, lojban.edu, lojban.biz, etc, which we might have a legitimate claim to = - at one time a couple of these were donated to us, but I don't know if= they were ever used).

An excerpt of a private = conversation a few months ago:

11:49 <gleki> coi= . btw, who is in charge of not losing lojban.org, lojban.com etc. addresses? mukti or you?
11:50 <rlpowell> Me
11:52 <rlpo= well> I get email from our registrar well in advance.
11:52 <rlpowell> And I take that particular email *= very* seriously.
11:53 <rlpowell> Los= ing lojban.org would *S= UCK*.
11:53 <gleki> it will immediate= ly be bought by bots.
11:53 <rlpowell>= ; Exactly that, yes.
11:53 <gleki> s/= will/would/
11:53 <rlpowell> Like, in= stantly.
11:53 <rlpowell> I believe I= have it on auto-renew, in fact.
11:54 <= rlpowell> Indeed.


Regarding=C2=A0https://github.com/lojba= n/

It's owned by 24 people, including Riley (our Treasurer). Some owners = are not even LLG members as you may guess from that number.
The=C2=A0https://github.com/lojban/cll/tree/docbook-p= rince branch could be made kinda official.
But in practice if an account of one of those 24 people is hacked we ca= n do nothing to restore our repositories there.

So I think it's better to sto= re all those repositories backed up on our (or Robin's at this period o= f history) servers.

I don't see why other branches of the same repository mus= t be official. I made a proposal to BPFK to make one official but even that= was largely ignored (which I think doesn't matter provided that unoffi= cial preparations are done somewhere and the results of such activities are= public). And it wasn't even LLG.

<= /div>
It'd be also nice to share LLG Youtube = accounts, Reddit, Facebook and Twitter accounts between several LLG members= so that they can post and reply to questions. Maybe some rules should be d= eveloped.

Note that the Treasurer now possesses accounts to Youtube/Gmail and Twi= tter.
As for other mentioned websites they = are even more unofficial.

I'd suggest first concentrate one lojban.org and mw.lojban.org in particular and pages publish= ed there.
I think Robin is still the best p= erson to own those domains.

As for the status of officiality I suggest just makin= g an agreement outside legal language.
In s= hort, I think we all can make to an agreement of our behavior on de facto R= obin's websites.

I'm pretty sure it won't be nice to ask Robin to p= ass us those domains (see my excerpt). Who among us knows technical details= better than he does?

P.S.=C2=A0by they way, why not start a new rival site at <= a href=3D"http://lojban.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban.com? any voluntee= rs? E.g. it can be made more polished than the current "wiki" one= . Imagine a static website with nice menus, nice and complete website struc= ture, with subdomains for speakers of different languages.

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