Received: from localhost ([::1]:60021 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1abUjv-0007s9-Hd; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 07:00:31 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f54.google.com ([74.125.82.54]:38466) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1abUjo-0007pk-15 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 07:00:30 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l68so35196822wml.1 for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 07:00:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4J40Veo6FLvLPK1LW5/25ru2BCQMNADo1LMc6B3IpGg=; b=nsb5dZ39uvyLB8qy2Ji0psyUMjSzpWLaD5YWvC068juNc4FcDvUdPdUXSC0MFU0qyi iZCzvUwMLQ/Xo13R7IaPjV7xrrONYCW5dH80BDloRJfBViJPykATR/rCrn74GYDtFXMq wIFsc9HYoICDQ+r/xHVfVkEml2ow7mo1LkCRyz/93w/FmHVWZX0joybFEyWRHAt3ehk9 rMomTGi/oQAXOeJ/6mAwUxbUgU6iaIpiOSIkewIr76ausGi4pPOQ34laTrC8ELpYhfhE JeUPJs9E+CZhtFCz9u45ka0wvlSmrUUycspPD1LAGlYv8we3yprdLgkjd/AMhncoCw3d 6zug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=4J40Veo6FLvLPK1LW5/25ru2BCQMNADo1LMc6B3IpGg=; b=ZoxXPU9g/WT0ScsNOWs1BLWv6PrgZpiKW6y5zDqferm8oY7GKuxPtBYs7nrh78g7h9 gD1z/1aY9amD9UeQCB0NS5PHQ4G+bMFeaOnNft7Mrn/8Whet5DWIR+/60+tEuqHHXLfK 4Y3pm6JwhO6+F6siEyiRvSGuFW0nqqDD4Jm4SCjr4EdsJ6/SK1SNseagEm5qKNKgxKw0 4MA42JMmfj734yTx9CG2KAivEak1foNLUZrMnjpaIc63lChhP8twBYgXTHd4JLSriR61 9XKOmODq1epnsP3Tcw/Q8U5hpDBdG9ykEBZ21of4xy3fy1NrMHQ7F9ZQs8TR+OYSlw89 TEdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIPoFFqySaLTGnTrE+c4T2pYoOePm7BmgLqXkaRCVjuo3agdih65ngq+mvlhVpKqeCboLq0XOjqdGvdPg== X-Received: by 10.194.184.139 with SMTP id eu11mr4073244wjc.169.1457017217332; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 07:00:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.91.210 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 06:59:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D74856F-2DE5-4D2D-B748-86FE1EA42ECC@gmail.com> <56D43C1B.8030802@lojban.org> <3250041.QV1N1M7BAt@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 17:59:37 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Demand for depriving Gleki of his administratorship and of official-pretending accounts. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4254627665706857800==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============4254627665706857800== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d9c00abbdbc052d264175 --047d7b6d9c00abbdbc052d264175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-03-03 17:37 GMT+03:00 guskant : > 2016-02-27 9:35 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > > > > I offered you that account once. What was your reply? > > > > I declined, so what? I don't demand to give me the access to the > official-pretending Twitter account. The contents of the letter are my > demand of depriving you of the access. > > > > > 2016-02-28 16:45 GMT+00:00 Craig Daniel : > > Are there any policies against doing the things described? > > > > If not, I think it might be preferable to simply create some, and to > direct > > Gleki and others with such access to act in accordance with them in the > > future. But there certainly *should* be such. > > > > > > I agree to your suggestion of creating some policies for > administrators of official servers, as well as for official accounts > on social media, if any. > > I still demand that the administrators for those should be elected in > an aboveboard way, not by secret negotiations. I would definitely > protest against Gleki being an administrator for anything, because he > is too dishonest to be given the administratorship. For these months, > I have been pointing out his abuse of administratorship on the servers > and official-pretending accounts, and he has never sincerely > responded. He has always turned away from the subjects because those are your fantasies. Why should I be interfering with them? If LLG requires me to reply then I will reply. > and treated my > remarks as if they were feedback to his personal contents. He has even > deleted some pieces of evidence that I pointed out (for example, see > the Evidence 3 in my open letter). I have no reliance on anyone who > conceals a piece of evidence for the subject of discussion. > > I agree that Gleki is one of the most active Lojbanists, but I don't > think that such a character is necessary for an administrator. I > demand that administrators should have honesty above all. > > Fortunately, Ali volunteers to take over the responsibility: > > 2016-02-29 13:40 GMT+00:00 Ali Sajid Imami : > > As far as a chief information officer is condemned, I volunteer to take > over > > all of that responsibility. > > > > I'll respond to the rest of it in a bit. > > > > I support Ali's proposal. > > As for Robin's ownership of the servers, Durka42 has already suggested > as follows, and Curtis and I (and also Pierre, maybe?) have agreed: > > 2015-12-22 19:55 GMT+00:00 Alex Burka : > > > - This has come up ad nauseum before, but most of our official online > > presence runs from a server (two servers?) in Robin's basement, AFAIK. I > am > > not suggesting that he does a bad job of managing this. However, if Robin > > wants to transition away from this role, it seems very reasonable for > LLG to > > pay for some (virtual) server infrastructure and hire someone to > administer > > it. I can help with this if we go that route. > > > > If that should be realized in this year, I demand that the deprivation > of Gleki's administratorship should occur simultaneously. Even if the > change of servers should be postponed, I demand that re-election of > the administrator should be realized as soon as possible, hoping that > Gleki should be dismissed from the administrator. > > > mi'e la guskant mu'o > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7b6d9c00abbdbc052d264175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-03-03 17:37 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com><= /span>:
2016-02-27 9:35 = GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <= gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>
>
> I offered you that account once. What was your reply?
>

I declined, so what? I don't demand to give me the access to the=
official-pretending Twitter account. The contents of the letter are my
demand of depriving you of the access.




2016-02-28 16:45 GMT+00:00 Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>:
> Are there any policies against doing the things described?
>
> If not, I think it might be preferable to simp= ly create some, and to direct
> Gleki and others with such access to act in accordance with them in th= e
> future. But there certainly *should* be such.
>
>

I agree to your suggestion of creating some policies for
administrators of official servers, as well as for official accounts
on social media, if any.

I still demand that the administrators for those should be elected in
an aboveboard way, not by secret negotiations. I would definitely
protest against Gleki being an administrator for anything, because he
is too dishonest to be given the administratorship. For these months,
I have been pointing out his abuse of administratorship on the servers
and official-pretending accounts, and he has never sincerely
responded. He has always turned away from the subjects
because those are your fantasies. Why should I be interfering w= ith them?
If LLG requires me to reply then I will reply.

=C2=A0
and treated my=
remarks as if they were feedback to his personal contents. He has even
deleted some pieces of evidence that I pointed out (for example, see
the Evidence 3 in my open letter). I have no reliance on anyone who
conceals a piece of evidence for the subject of discussion.

I agree that Gleki is one of the most active Lojbanists, but I don't think that such a character is necessary for an administrator. I
demand that administrators should have honesty above all.

Fortunately, Ali volunteers to take over the responsibility:

2016-02-29 13:40 GMT+00:00 Ali Sajid Imami <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com>:
> As far as a chief information officer is condemned, I volunteer to tak= e over
> all of that responsibility.
>
> I'll respond to the rest of it in a bit.
>

I support Ali's proposal.

As for Robin's ownership of the servers, Durka42 has already suggested<= br> as follows, and Curtis and I (and also Pierre, maybe?) have agreed:

2015-12-22 19:55 GMT+00:00 Alex Burka <durka42@gmail.com>:

> - This has come up ad nauseum before, but most of our official online<= br> > presence runs from a server (two servers?) in Robin's basement, AF= AIK. I am
> not suggesting that he does a bad job of managing this. However, if Ro= bin
> wants to transition away from this role, it seems very reasonable for = LLG to
> pay for some (virtual) server infrastructure and hire someone to admin= ister
> it. I can help with this if we go that route.
>

If that should be realized in this year, I demand that the deprivation
of Gleki's administratorship should occur simultaneously. Even if the change of servers should be postponed, I demand that re-election of
the administrator should be realized as soon as possible, hoping that
Gleki should be dismissed from the administrator.


mi'e la guskant mu'o

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