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([2601:5c0:c000:25f9:1d73:8d66:967b:683f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y200sm7765183qka.48.2016.03.07.02.59.40 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 02:59:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56C1998B.5050005@lojban.org> <82DDFA36-4BF2-44E7-AF8A-8A810E50EE0A@gmail.com> <56CCA114.90203@lojban.org> <56CF474A.4030009@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 05:59:37 -0500 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: <7D766635-664F-46ED-AB73-C3C97BEE2D92@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [Llg-members] LLG Annual Meeting - Board Election X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5400694117618937854==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5400694117618937854== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----61VSHY3C67HR85SDDGIDSF2AD7NXC0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------61VSHY3C67HR85SDDGIDSF2AD7NXC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Gleki, online practice is difficult, but I'd appreciate the links anyway. Thanks, karis On February 29, 2016 7:27:44 AM EST, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >2016-02-29 14:46 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein : > >> For those, then, that may be interested I am an intermittent learner >of >> lojban. I started back in the 90's and early 2000's, reviewed >vocabulary >> periodically, and started back two or the years ago. I'm not >progressing >> quickly, but I am working on it. I just have no one to practice with >and >> the major changes that have occurred have been confusing. >> > >Can you practice it online with others? If yes several months are >enough to >become a fluent speaker and I can drop the links. > > > >> karis >> >> >> On February 28, 2016 9:39:57 AM EST, Craig Daniel > >> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think everybody on the board should have to be. I do think >that >>> the LLG's task is to serve the community of language users, and that >if >>> it's substantially detached from that community the board will be >bad at >>> directing that. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 2:43 PM Karen Stein >wrote: >>> >>>> I disagree that all members of the Board should be active lojban >users. >>>> In fact having people invested in the continuance and improvement >of this >>>> project who are not provides more variety of perspectives. >>>> >>>> karis >>>> >>>> >>>> On February 25, 2016 10:43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel < >>>> craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the >alternative is >>>>> failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be to >not. I think >>>>> the Lojban community would be better served by a board comprised >in the >>>>> main of active users of the language, and consider literally every >LLG >>>>> member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year >and is >>>>> willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat. >>>>> >>>>> But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and if I'm >>>>> necessary, here I stand. >>>>> >>>>> - mi'e .kreig. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 PM Bob LeChevalier >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >>>>>> > We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just >talkers (lo >>>>>> > casnu). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved >in >>>>>> > corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on >to >>>>>> > someone at some point. At present mukti could possibly do the >job in >>>>>> > addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend >against >>>>>> that, >>>>>> > since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my >>>>>> burnout >>>>>> > in the 90s. We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a >person to >>>>>> hold >>>>>> > multiple offices. (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but >I had >>>>>> to >>>>>> > do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond >producing >>>>>> > annual meeting minutes). We need someone to serve as Vice >President, >>>>>> > preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ---------------------- >>>>>> > >>>>>> > So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they >>>>>> accept my >>>>>> > nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or >>>>>> nominations. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, >unless >>>>>> there >>>>>> > is a request for more time. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, >since >>>>>> "Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am >going to >>>>>> keep the deadline open until next Monday. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or >trying to >>>>>> lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have >LLG do >>>>>> much of anything towards any goals whatsoever. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an >>>>>> organization once I no longer lead it. I'm not entirely sure >that >>>>>> enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on >trying >>>>>> to >>>>>> organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to >>>>>> communicate and interact. >>>>>> >>>>>> lojbab >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Llg-members mailing list >Llg-members@lojban.org >http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members ------61VSHY3C67HR85SDDGIDSF2AD7NXC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gleki, online practice is difficult, but I'd appreciate the links anyway.

Thanks,
karis

On February 29, 2016 7:27:44 AM EST, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-02-29 14:46 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
For those, then, that may be interested I am an intermittent learner of lojban. I started back in the 90's and early 2000's, reviewed vocabulary periodically, and started back two or the years ago. I'm not progressing quickly, but I am working on it. I just have no one to practice with and the major changes that have occurred have been confusing.

Can you practice it online with others? If yes several months are enough to become a fluent speaker and I can drop the links.



karis


On February 28, 2016 9:39:57 AM EST, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think everybody on the board should have to be. I do think that the LLG's task is to serve the community of language users, and that if it's substantially detached from that community the board will be bad at directing that.

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 2:43 PM Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree that all members of the Board should be active lojban users. In fact having people invested in the continuance and improvement of this project who are not provides more variety of perspectives.

karis


On February 25, 2016 10:43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the alternative is failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be to not. I think the Lojban community would be better served by a board comprised in the main of active users of the language, and consider literally every LLG member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year and is willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat.

But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and if I'm necessary, here I stand.

- mi'e .kreig.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 PM Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo
> casnu).
>
> We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in
> corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to
> someone at some point.  At present mukti could possibly do the job in
> addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against that,
> since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my burnout
> in the 90s.  We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person to hold
> multiple offices.  (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I had to
> do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing
> annual meeting minutes).  We need someone to serve as Vice President,
> preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had.
>
> ----------------------
>
> So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they accept my
> nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or nominations.
>
> I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless there
> is a request for more time.

I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since
"Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days.

Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to
keep the deadline open until next Monday.

If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to
lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do
much of anything towards any goals whatsoever.

I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an
organization once I no longer lead it.  I'm not entirely sure that
enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying to
organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to
communicate and interact.

lojbab


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