Received: from localhost ([::1]:44188 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ajY77-0001iu-EP; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:13:45 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f45.google.com ([209.85.215.45]:33363) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ajY6z-0001im-IS for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:13:43 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f45.google.com with SMTP id f67so6166570lfb.0 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=pzmLM9frIqsW5R0+21mkiamcGOERyy6PmOZcLkAYGrA=; b=AkWg7cTkrR9KgZohml2OSc8AfvBBPb3y0VezLST7ff4ugflE//H0jxlAfrNCxxS105 bhxQgrcj5kEXTQcHRsNEqkq36EPayoCq1xSuX1syaVFXf71rUnlAXGdB9gnbNVI7icdD fjNS+QHOCInsteExRkPuGdc+j0lXqmgzugeBqUdUfNAqOdpTdq4dsJuENAOOjsfYLQ91 5DMXouS359CmrgOBAbzuN++HgM39FNOdFxJjpDwSDRm0qwf2VglDANNtnpKv+TrFfdwM is+HTFNCnFsfPDr24ir4nFB7gO+7K6l+W46YkPiFMDkPXmBdc6QICdvn5aBqMzuCnibF Cxug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=pzmLM9frIqsW5R0+21mkiamcGOERyy6PmOZcLkAYGrA=; b=eqxSybzJaiknR2rlBeSd1Hs8J/3J+XHbmCId/TqjEh6yVM2d8O0/ALYT9xd5DaJyNa XmbfL3PxtTXq1RUcv5s9sCQFKuGIPW76bByGCqigFvSijlbph4iC80lanbtGY7rCzDEM ybxkDeXxacBP1dOEXVwM1mtp5Wv6k2MF5rmXdHGhnMnT9e7YlsZpke4uzNbMnQg7ZpBW FbwfuYyTztfDxxeGDsOI/9wywUZYHqHSMBm22koG/sUYV4ZAo+VHvp4xbbgH2H7Bd6aj 4Pam7GIl0xaue+q6WeaPkVz9PLbCPi9szY0ZrvPgcHwaMYyaOC7yj7O3HACFcqPKe/nT Yxhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKa4vOKJlu3VmfYWQKGNByEFb3rj9YVvH28wxqJUA255r/am5rz+AvcMhK1KZRASmO+ly/os9y61HxxcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.19.234 with SMTP id 103mr4437352lft.9.1458936810448; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.40.8 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.40.8 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:13:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56DE1D83.8050901@lojban.org> <8EC7FC36-8C8F-43FD-AE6A-C704D1D9C2CE@gmail.com> <12678381.nPyR9sEY1K@caracal> <56E0AE11.8020708@lojban.org> <56E1F54E.3040501@lojban.org> <56EF1C47.6060900@lojban.org> <56F467BF.9060405@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 20:13:29 +0000 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting - Old Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4197706478152705933==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============4197706478152705933== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f2450562b49052ee532dc --001a113f2450562b49052ee532dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 25 Mar 2016 16:21, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2016 12:09, "And Rosta" wrote: > > > > So "Whensoever a BPFK exists, whensoever a CLL exists, and whensoever a Lojban language is to have any defining standards in whole or in part," means "Whenever there's a Lojban language planning committee, and there's a language definition docked, and a version of Lojban is to have any defining standards"? > > > > I'm not being *deliberately* obtuse, but it strikes me that if BPFK and CLL are narrowly defined then the motion is potentially too restrictive and if they're broadly defined then it is potentially misleadingly vacuous. > > > > --And. > > Assuming that I understand the word "docked" correctly, yes. I would be astonished if you had understood it correctly, because it was a swypo (i.e. predictive keyboard error) for _document_. Sorry! > The range of these meanings would be determined by interpretation of the LLG and/or BPFK (possibly with input from the general populace). Okay, but I still don't grasp what positions are implied by voting for or against the motion. I recognize your efforts to pursue a clarity of sorts and to take the trouble to try to explain, but I don't think the motion is suitable yet for being voted on. (I think it's unlikely that I'm the only uncomprehender, but if I turn out to be then I could just abstain.) --And. --001a113f2450562b49052ee532dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 25 Mar 2016 16:21, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mar 25, 2016 12:09, "And Rosta" <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > So "Whensoever a BPFK exists, whensoever a CLL exists, and w= hensoever a Lojban language is to have any defining standards in whole or i= n part," means "Whenever there's a Lojban language planning c= ommittee, and there's a language definition docked, and a version of Lo= jban is to have any defining standards"?
> >
> > I'm not being *deliberately* obtuse, but it strikes me that i= f BPFK and CLL are narrowly defined then the motion is potentially too rest= rictive and if they're broadly defined then it is potentially misleadin= gly vacuous.
> >
> > --And.
>
> Assuming that I understand the word "docked" correctly, yes.=

I would be astonished if you had understood it correctly, be= cause it was a swypo (i.e. predictive keyboard error) for _document_. Sorry= !

> The range of these meanings would be determined by inte= rpretation of the LLG and/or BPFK (possibly with input from the general pop= ulace).

Okay, but I still don't grasp what positions are implied= by voting for or against the motion. I recognize your efforts to pursue a = clarity of sorts and to take the trouble to try to explain, but I don't= think the motion is suitable yet for being voted on. (I think it's unl= ikely that I'm the only uncomprehender, but if I turn out to be then I = could just abstain.)

--And.

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