Received: from localhost ([::1]:52569 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1apdNQ-0004v0-9p; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:03:44 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f50.google.com ([209.85.215.50]:36284) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1apdNL-0004tn-0F for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:03:43 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f50.google.com with SMTP id g184so161198665lfb.3 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qFDjt+/1zvBRzjsRR54RLx+7t0gx52k0jOcWRFqw6Cw=; b=dV3pXciV4tCPKProKgVT9d3ASXP8/0FLSpzy/VM3DB9CRPTLwhQ/kMfocQWT5nzbS+ chOrfllIEYakMtxIpB9Zwv/Mcv8TmFCVZtZAXDluf493bRlq5d7pnM6LkBgqs4J6fiYH oaegOj/quGrU69vfZya9/XOwtI8Rpah0daEPK17O1Kg9FzqeNB19YHzgjgjfA+Y3RLXS O7Ab3MnM5OafIsvMKxZZ+8kk/ez3u1NZ+a8FXbcVtHKH4DydBuw+iv+e3mfiiHCvXAs6 66AH9IrPo+DvWWENJZQvOiieq4rrN3Iwvuip2ZPld8S3JQykSWAADxkxTKHoXvEh+EHf B50A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qFDjt+/1zvBRzjsRR54RLx+7t0gx52k0jOcWRFqw6Cw=; b=ehcQAYwfnWR86Saa3LfMXuq2GvbZV2i8cIL8gyA9jN/UFA2jawHh52vLz5At8Xi6Jh GNlXql6uSa4Yc1EuggwmDQpFYGXsKzl3wzwHKm7PPgyc9F62X1YWIZBd1ZBGDB24ouCx GYxNyPeQMzxy7nzqY4DZJ+lmeEdpiARGPohJfWKVapvg5h35zgtzffxTqfqf4Tl5lcM3 +rvh0zGFkzAaSi+yno0US03i4Ezz3eHCaX5vcQZ8uB1apl1tQm66CA2dRXZUfULn2BTy pLCrcW5mbIVcAPls4q81VtdEc8LPIg1qr9w1jcsg2CnpMvHfUdxWuiGnbxnTUFPvgqB2 Ds2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJK1uJa4htPiTNSiq3MqRcX/ku47Q6+Sxjd+hNkHEz+Ec89X92Lpj3tuVHEqb6MUc0zbPSLkAHiWaGZ5ow== X-Received: by 10.25.25.7 with SMTP id 7mr6774587lfz.166.1460387012029; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.144.229 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:02:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <29164749-21C9-49D5-9821-DE0A3101B51F@gmail.com> References: <56FA169C.8070702@lojban.org> <57001FFF.4060601@lojban.org> <570A97D6.2010207@lojban.org> <29164749-21C9-49D5-9821-DE0A3101B51F@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 18:02:52 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Sustaining membership and sustainability X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6272102977916850202==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6272102977916850202== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114020161632eb053036d9f7 --001a114020161632eb053036d9f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2016-04-11 17:54 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch : > I=E2=80=99m definitely tuned in, but I may have left too much time for ot= her old > business to be discussed. Sorry about that! > > I do not intend to raise a motion during this meeting on the topic of > sustaining memberships. I also hesitate to bring it up in the context of > the meeting, because I don=E2=80=99t want to further prolong the meeting.= That > said, I=E2=80=99d like to encourage members to start thinking about the s= ubject > with the idea that we could revisit it next meeting. > > For a long time, LLG has not had to worry about its finances. It=E2=80=99= s been a > long time since the legal costs of the battle with TLI were retired, and > since the upfront costs of publishing CLL were repaid. Thanks to Robin, > we=E2=80=99ve also benefited, for more than a decade, from donated server= time. The > servers that run the web sites, the mailing list, and the IRC bots would > contribute substantial monthly overhead if we had to pay for them from > treasury funds. > > Thanks to the generosity of its authors, sales of CLL have provided LLG > with a surplus. But that won=E2=80=99t last forever. It does, however, bu= y us time > to discuss the role we would like LLG to play as a financial entity > supporting and promoting lojban. Some recent proposals, such as > additional/redundant servers for the web site and annual prizes for work = in > and about lojban, would draw from treasury funds. I am interested in > pursuing these idea, but I think as we do, we should also discuss how we > can make them sustainable. > > One thing that we ought to consider is introducing the notion of > sustaining membership, as defined in LLG=E2=80=99s bylaws, but never =E2= =80=93 to my > knowledge =E2=80=93 exercised. > > Currently, there is only one kind of membership in LLG: Voting membership= . > It costs nothing but participation time in the annual meeting, and return= s > the right to vote on organization business. > > Sustaining membership would introduce an annual fee, such as the $35 that > the Language Creation Society charges its members. If LLG were to follow > suit at current membership levels, for example, we could offset more than > $800 of annual overhead. > > There could be an additional benefit of sustaining membership in so far a= s > it could help members to establish a tangible commitment to the > organization. > > The proposal to establish an annual achievement award seems to have > generated quite a bit of interest over the last few years. Perhaps we cou= ld > establish such an award and a notion of sustaining membership at the same > time. Participation would be limited to sustaining members, and the cost = of > the prize or prizes would be drawn directly from membership fees. > > I=E2=80=99d also be interested in establishing a formula to adjust the me= mbership > fee according to the cost of living in the countries where members are > resident. > > Looping back around, I do not want to raise any motion at this meeting. > But I hope that people consider these ideas, and if there=E2=80=99s an in= terest in > pursuing them in earnest, that we raise them at the next meeting. > My view is that whoever donates money to LLG should have the right to specify for which activities it is to be spent. E.g. I am opposed to spending any money on physical logfest meetings except when those who want to organize them use their own money. > =E2=80=94Riley > noi ta=E2=80=99e me la mukti > > > On Apr 10, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - > LLG wrote: > > > > On 4/2/2016 3:39 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > >> Discussion of old business topics should continue. If no one else > >> proposes any discussion, mukti should proceed with his discussion of > >> sustaining membership. > > > > Mukti seems not to be paying attention, and no other old business topic= s > have been raised. I'm going to open the floor to New Business, while > continuing to permit mukti to raise his proposal if/when he is ready. > > > > I have over the course of the meeting mentioned several topics that > would be appropriate for New business, but I will let the membership > propose what you want to talk about first. > > > > lojbab > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Llg-members mailing list > > Llg-members@lojban.org > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a114020161632eb053036d9f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-04-11 17:54 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch <<= a href=3D"mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">shunpiker@gmail.com= >:
I=E2=80=99m definitely t= uned in, but I may have left too much time for other old business to be dis= cussed. Sorry about that!

I do not intend to raise a motion during this meeting on the topic of susta= ining memberships. I also hesitate to bring it up in the context of the mee= ting, because I don=E2=80=99t want to further prolong the meeting. That sai= d, I=E2=80=99d like to encourage members to start thinking about the subjec= t with the idea that we could revisit it next meeting.

For a long time, LLG has not had to worry about its finances. It=E2=80=99s = been a long time since the legal costs of the battle with TLI were retired,= and since the upfront costs of publishing CLL were repaid. Thanks to Robin= , we=E2=80=99ve also benefited, for more than a decade, from donated server= time. The servers that run the web sites, the mailing list, and the IRC bo= ts would contribute substantial monthly overhead if we had to pay for them = from treasury funds.

Thanks to the generosity of its authors, sales of CLL have provided LLG wit= h a surplus. But that won=E2=80=99t last forever. It does, however, buy us = time to discuss the role we would like LLG to play as a financial entity su= pporting and promoting lojban. Some recent proposals, such as additional/re= dundant servers for the web site and annual prizes for work in and about lo= jban, would draw from treasury funds. I am interested in pursuing these ide= a, but I think as we do, we should also discuss how we can make them sustai= nable.

One thing that we ought to consider is introducing the notion of sustaining= membership, as defined in LLG=E2=80=99s bylaws, but never =E2=80=93 to my = knowledge =E2=80=93 exercised.

Currently, there is only one kind of membership in LLG: Voting membership. = It costs nothing but participation time in the annual meeting, and returns = the right to vote on organization business.

Sustaining membership would introduce an annual fee, such as the $35 that t= he Language Creation Society charges its members. If LLG were to follow sui= t at current membership levels, for example, we could offset more than $800= of annual overhead.

There could be an additional benefit of sustaining membership in so far as = it could help members to establish a tangible commitment to the organizatio= n.

The proposal to establish an annual achievement award seems to have generat= ed quite a bit of interest over the last few years. Perhaps we could establ= ish such an award and a notion of sustaining membership at the same time. P= articipation would be limited to sustaining members, and the cost of the pr= ize or prizes would be drawn directly from membership fees.

I=E2=80=99d also be interested in establishing a formula to adjust the memb= ership fee according to the cost of living in the countries where members a= re resident.

Looping back around, I do not want to raise any motion at this meeting. But= I hope that people consider these ideas, and if there=E2=80=99s an interes= t in pursuing them in earnest, that we raise them at the next meeting.
<= /blockquote>

My view is that whoever donates money to LL= G should have the right to specify for which activities it is to be spent.<= /div>

E.g. I am opposed to spending any money on physica= l logfest meetings except when those who want to organize them use their ow= n money.


=E2=80=94Riley
noi ta=E2=80=99e me la mukti

> On Apr 10, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - = LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrot= e:
>
> On 4/2/2016 3:39 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
>> Discussion of old business topics should continue.=C2=A0 If no one= else
>> proposes any discussion, mukti should proceed with his discussion = of
>> sustaining membership.
>
> Mukti seems not to be paying attention, and no other old business topi= cs have been raised.=C2=A0 I'm going to open the floor to New Business,= while continuing to permit mukti to raise his proposal if/when he is ready= .
>
> I have over the course of the meeting mentioned several topics that wo= uld be appropriate for New business, but I will let the membership propose = what you want to talk about first.
>
> lojbab
>
>
>
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> Llg-members mailing list
> Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-= members


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