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Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: New Business, anyone?
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On 4/16/2016 4:43 PM, guskant wrote:
> 2016-04-16 17:09 GMT+00:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -
> LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>:
>> None of the issues raised so far under New Business seems to be eliciting
>> any discussion.  The only motion asserted (by guskant) has not been seconded
>> (but I have to admit that I am not exactly sure what the motion is, since it
>> is embedded in guskant's complaint)
>>
>
>
> As Bob could not identify the motion among my complaints, maybe I had
> better make clear to the secretary what to record in the minutes. I
> herewith make a summary of the motion I raised:

Thank you.

> 1. making a response to the open letter
> http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/
> ;
>
> 2. putting the official website under control of LLG and creating the
> website policies;

The website is ultimately under Robin Powell's control, since he owns 
the machine, and he chooses who he allows various privileges to.  I 
interpret this as asking us to establish an official website apart of 
Robin's, which would be under the control of the Board or its designee

> 3. depriving Gleki of his administratorship on the official website
> (as  written in the open letter, not only the mediawiki engine but
> also any tools on Vrici server);

I don't know what the mediawiki engine and vrici server are.  If either 
of these refers to something not on Robin's machine, there is probably 
nothing we can do.

> 4. asserting on the official website that the official body does not
> have any account of Twitter, or reporting the abuse of
> official-pretending account to Twitter.

I've never used Twitter and have no idea what they consider "abuse", but 
I suspect that nothing you've reported would be something they would 
consider "abuse".  I've seen reports of all sorts of Twitter accounts 
which pretend to be someone other than who they really are, so this 
would probably also be something Twitter would not stop.  This would 
clearly have to be handled by someone who knows a lot more than I do.

> The motion was rejected,

The motion has NOT been rejected, or even voted upon.  It merely hasn't 
been seconded.  The participation level in this meeting has been so low, 
that I wouldn't consider silence to be "rejection", but rather 
"disinterest" among the few paying attention.

Whether the members take up the question of internet/web site policy or 
not, I suspect that the Board will do so during the next year (but I 
cannot say what priority this will be, since the new Board hasn't yet 
taken effect).  Once we have a policy, and determine whether the site 
will remain on Robin's machine, it might be easier to address the issues 
you have raised.

I personally would like to see the issues addressed in a manner which is 
neutral as to the personal or political differences that you apparently 
have with gleki (which I for one do not really understand).  Both of you 
are contributing enormously to the language and the community in ways 
that you respectively prefer, and I would like those contributions to 
continue.

> and LLG prefers therefore seeing my sarcastic
> artworks on Gleki's dictatorship to normalizing the official website.

I haven't seen any such artworks, and my own preference in humor tends 
to the sarcastic, so I might not be offended.

gleki of course has no dictatorship.  If anyone does, it is Robin, but I 
believe he has delegated power to multiple people, not just gleki.

You have objected to some decisions he has made, but he is not the only 
person with the power to make decisions, and others have the power to 
override those decisions, but only if you bring the dispute directly to 
our attention

"Normalizing the website" might be rather too big a job to undertake in 
a member's meeting.  Setting up a committee and a few guidelines is 
probably the best we could do right now.  In the absence of a decision 
by the members or the Board, I can as President delegate this to the 
Secretary/Treasurer, who has responsibility for "communications" under 
the Bylaws.

lojbab


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