Received: from localhost ([::1]:45394 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1arzCr-00007l-ER; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:46:33 -0700 Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com ([209.85.223.181]:35717) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1arzCk-00007d-28 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:46:31 -0700 Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id g185so183172394ioa.2 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:46:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=z0yB8diu2LaPJD7PLSWDxWe1teERb5Bxa/vqXgC8DyU=; b=u6UfMGXe9GHYYZ1V6ScVfPHeJcFmTVj77FVqlVPJY8k52u+3W6/YSg34xUTwkC4YGq xd6CNNEOitaltKkOeKV4i+JO87yOjL5sz5ZHCrB5gSu4aHYIy/wA544WcJb6e62q9CA3 z69LOBP8eNtKs9Pu+7+zcGSRqstxNqE2zzsQptkmQv0NqDd5bgwD6gULN5PJ2klJCUuE ANG5J2EYX5D/CumjbhyO26yYUdiuCCh5+9ZcI2Qr+tCrWyjcGniGRUk15GYJvZfVznxH Gb5NiEfEVQzyY3ZpWMMm4hRK1Xct6fwngfEDgD/Heav93slNBmmwqHjsMSUsHK93+hpF rxrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=z0yB8diu2LaPJD7PLSWDxWe1teERb5Bxa/vqXgC8DyU=; b=HlSFEBHlRhX6/MSBLQAnaDhhPpSdtNv8ek8zCZTIRVUoGs7W2nIdNANvTO5J0fnQjt 0+pgkeBiT2wEkiXkhPypa9YLWmLf4/hczhTKBSPiQ6wkbyixONLpXj3yIRpQk6y4MRNk TsKXcInCiZL78I1HZBLn/WZvj88coaqU8IQCWGWx8w1NOgk4o0NUVdo7JL7x1qgJ++tS hLSv0ffky7l+Q2vM77nJmyq/E9XD5u3J2EqOFVJu9eo8Sm3XpYaaMQFwOmj7oCXjdPBo bCdR9D1AgUZ/QnqLrtVu4Z1KPWRnRcfBTMw5PtxjIcK+hMRdwOupWcOQlPxg5IlpldcW RHVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWO5F0Ydt2soy67l+nkYgQL7kBrztVQpBBSK/QYLH4eHlvGJjTiw1HhZ2NUi9UE68ljN5+xWwEi2RUJhA== X-Received: by 10.107.129.32 with SMTP id c32mr35440522iod.102.1460947580044; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:46:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.25.68 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:46:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571271C9.7050002@lojban.org> <50A08C82-B160-4ADB-B5D9-D2FBB307C32E@gmail.com> From: guskant Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 02:46:00 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: New Business, anyone? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org 2016-04-18 2:28 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks : > > On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 PM, "guskant" wrote: >> >> My motion and complaints don't mention punishing Gleki for his abuse >> of administratorship. I only required depriving Gleki of the >> administratorship and selecting an administrator in a reasonable way. > > I view doing that as punishment unless we establish a new office or body > which is to assume all of such powers and to do so exclusive to anyone else > having them. In that situation, Gleki would have to be appointed to such > office or body with clear authority and restrictions in order to exercise > such powers. > > Removing the powers from Gleki personally is a punishment. Removing them > from all people and vesting them in a regulated office or body open to > anyone meeting certain requirements is not. Gleki's current power is not given by the official body, only by Robin through their personal negotiation out of any official agreement, so the deprivation cannot be punishment in any interpretation but is only a part of procedure of putting the official web contents under control of LLG. There is no way punishing anyone out of range of application of a law. Under normal procedure to be created by the official body, you can vote for Gleki as an administrator if you like, though I would never vote for him. mi'e la guskant _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members