Received: from localhost ([::1]:45524 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1arzuH-0001bO-3z; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:31:25 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f46.google.com ([209.85.213.46]:36431) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1arzuB-0001aU-Eb for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:31:23 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id c4so206276914vkb.3 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:31:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=wz7caSp983Fab34cj0kP1MEPDUbGMZm1JZUXV3K1QB0=; b=x1U06s0AAy2gWEbC320Tmr/6DFuFOHD3rDO9jkgtsnAwwDPBxNVyBkBw8VUCalotgV AL6dNuWtfO2cZzxZGmv9h1LoyFbq/JslNVc8cLi+w/KzJU/QwC4dxr4Q0tJH3UEebPH3 bQBGleyzhWBmc2HpBNA2k3KCuueb4bUQLd63XNoC30EiaFf0NRVUF14tLpHsUUcybnJ7 kNl7UNNTiZM4D+NGxeqarLtwqu5cQpdKvFrTRLjMc9DDJWZUrGY5GhEFLSRtB0z4+F9g sjj7+dLiKqpMKPzXU6EU2Fa6KkQ49NiJB+p7an71Gl3kWD32bFy+cO78hmckZFZCYoEk 19+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=wz7caSp983Fab34cj0kP1MEPDUbGMZm1JZUXV3K1QB0=; b=IPrkQ0dYg0cO1/QV8ZdnCBBP61WqjXAlf86/Ziai3OOiyqvB2it2uDHkrZhVl3ZmfK 6txG5FjcLcTcu/poh9mF7+s5OP2BsDsjWEoKNDPKrFZfYUcGaeecBiOOJFCQQpCnGKh9 fIGhiJ3YThx5OWpCKi1OyC8PGhaLiFdbysRdI1UrUTWZcjhiKOW06ToqFuqrJULEZujJ dZ9E+3JqPmQX+V1IauN/3ZZvPN3v1KOwtfPmDq4chpttLDa6RcpalZXNG+9ZLz9Xe1EC vcDqij3NBcG6t/N1ljV3k7RW/rk7iNpD+PJmxHVv1t+HVWrYM25pyBgmoiIhyDLWStA2 2eHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVY6YPZWnvmqYkQKTX7p81rb6wwG0+fmKLADcFhTqf/dPCd2GzD6ZGvPQBHs/B0kGbiiyWS0G5LTBB6sg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.52.65 with SMTP id b62mr16906192vka.61.1460950273164; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.66.226 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.66.226 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:31:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571271C9.7050002@lojban.org> <50A08C82-B160-4ADB-B5D9-D2FBB307C32E@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 23:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Curtis Franks To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: New Business, anyone? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1179091249482451161==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1179091249482451161== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143fdde110d540530b9fe71 --001a1143fdde110d540530b9fe71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I can accept that. :) I just wanted to be clear about my position concerning the topic. My support is conditioned on the development of some sort of universal plan as described previously. On Apr 17, 2016 11:26 PM, "guskant" wrote: > 2016-04-18 3:00 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks : > > > > > > So long as we create a body vested with such powers exclusive to everyone > > else having them, or we create clear rules for what constitutes an > > infraction that would result in such a deprivation (after which point, > Gleki > > would have to conduct himself in a way such that he commits such an > > infraction as judged by some procedure or body). > > > > I am saying that we cannot just divest Gleki of those powers without > > anything else happening or being involved. At the very least, we need to > > make universal rules and then have him violate them in his capacity as an > > administrator after that point. In other words, we cannot target him > > specifically nor immediately. > > > > I am saying that divesting Gleki of those powers is a part of moving > control on contents and the administrationship from Gleki to LLG. > It is not a kind of targeting Gleki for his abuse of the power. His > abuse of the power is only a motivation of my motion. The motion > itself does not regard the deprivation as punishment. > > mi'e la guskant > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a1143fdde110d540530b9fe71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can accept that. :)
I just wanted to be clear about my position concerning the topic. My suppor= t is conditioned on the development of some sort of universal plan as descr= ibed previously.

On Apr 17, 2016 11:26 PM, "guskant" &l= t;gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wr= ote:
2016-04-18 3:00= GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks <c= urtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
>
>
> So long as we create a body vested with such powers exclusive to every= one
> else having them, or we create clear rules for what constitutes an
> infraction that would result in such a deprivation (after which point,= Gleki
> would have to conduct himself in a way such that he commits such an > infraction as judged by some procedure or body).
>
> I am saying that we cannot just divest Gleki of those powers without > anything else happening or being involved. At the very least, we need = to
> make universal rules and then have him violate them in his capacity as= an
> administrator after that point. In other words, we cannot target him > specifically nor immediately.
>

I am saying that divesting Gleki of those powers is a part of moving
control on contents and the administrationship from Gleki to LLG.
It is not a kind of targeting Gleki for his abuse of the power. His
abuse of the power is only a motivation of my motion. The motion
itself does not regard the deprivation as punishment.

mi'e la guskant

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