Received: from localhost ([::1]:46057 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1as402-0000ot-Ir; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:53:38 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f51.google.com ([209.85.215.51]:32975) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1as3zu-0000o0-9J for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:53:37 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f51.google.com with SMTP id e190so207023127lfe.0 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:53:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cFy3fD4ZcHOqdWfHaMwZnyhlen1seGXsDtyLBBfN/XM=; b=WTuynRTpU7fj8IDfijQUD/sc7D0eOm3KdcnTbFXSPkTEmTT1uN10BDgW74jCE7kE3X 3GuPW+YjluVzaV97fv/g8qIVbOrXKFzyqW+YsN9M4l9+wxUGrqhKrvautVc6sVYYXjuG H9jb4qM/ab4DzhuQAzcuYv5ls7nKaecDxLdtfdEXNqfOnR4KQ1+avZyyaDqEiMKHZNGW X18JYLy9CKAfk+FC0hhf/7cMD0UweNIc0IGQSHcRraBsPH4FokZe8WTizqjD6iz+jzpu xczWHT0H7FRSs3abO7pB9bq47RiP0dZcb7/kVwpt8a13sVyRsZiUDUOWwozGZvfhTxar mfFQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cFy3fD4ZcHOqdWfHaMwZnyhlen1seGXsDtyLBBfN/XM=; b=c1r7H/J3HdADBp1S9OuSuFScfpBn0dbR+1xjUhGyWGAzlNvxfA16Dmuq94rtTns8dH KfImK1zvl9n+cOtNpEImOWSkdeq5T74WzUoRGxtotfaKFZE7PpgsdQVyyTtTllkXWaKA /4Te04OG+2+yv5lv6XVSy6SFyLYHP1yfwtpg8VdR0Y0iPUdlpEyVzsnhEa7e1h3ubTTc vdvRL6cHACv2wJRXoHScy0M7pz12Sndb3fhlON1VreKKSUnSQ/ROaWyk2inFu3bTRyeo HM9S7Gvflx7PryNpDTAnLQnzFBBFfqZrpAX1jUx0yRFxZ4qFhnadFY88aGhqqP9GhZsS x7kw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWn7l+3JrllGZGLBW/0NhPUBPfEnPQP1vAygrEeUSrG3kHX3u53yJA/u0ll/CKuCPQLR+pnK6nQI2IWyw== X-Received: by 10.25.167.207 with SMTP id q198mr13371932lfe.111.1460966003101; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:53:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.144.229 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:52:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571271C9.7050002@lojban.org> <5713E3F7.2050104@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:52:43 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: New Business, anyone? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0227933452741067961==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0227933452741067961== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11410cd2a4d5260530bda706 --001a11410cd2a4d5260530bda706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-04-18 10:36 GMT+03:00 guskant : > 2016-04-18 7:17 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > > > > 2016-04-18 9:50 GMT+03:00 guskant : > >> > >> 2016-04-18 6:29 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> > > >> > 2016-04-18 3:32 GMT+03:00 guskant : > >> >> > >> >> The mediawiki engine is a set of programs for maintaining wiki pages > >> >> on the official website. The web directory for the official website > is > >> >> a symbolic link of a subdirectory of Gleki's personal directory on > >> >> Vrici server that is run on Robin's machine. The contents of the > >> >> official website are under control of Gleki, not of Robin. > >> >> > >> >> Gleki put in the same directory his tools personalized for the > purpose > >> >> of teaching an unofficial language that he called "modern dialects of > >> >> Lojban". That is abuse of his administratorship on the official web > >> >> contents. > >> > > >> > > >> > That's not true. Only the directory /extensions has a symbolic link. > >> > > >> > >> OK. but that information does not change my conclusion because the > >> directory /extensions is a subdirectory of your personal directory. > > > > > > Ehm, mw.lojban.org/extensions is a symbolic link to a folder to which I > have > > read/write access. > > > > As for the wiki I have the same permissions to edits as you. > > > > I meant this directory: > http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ Yes, that's exactly what links to mw.lojban.org/extensions/ > > > I think you own also the control on the mediawiki engine, because you > did sometimes update the engine or add/remove extensions to it. I > remember you once got problem from updating it, and asked Mukti and me > for taking measures by modifying some pages. > Well, yes and no. I only provide ideas and prepare necessary extensions or suggestions to changing settings. The actual update is always done by Robin. > As for the wiki pages, I pointed out in my open letter that you are > filling it with your original research, and I asserted that those > pages should include the responsibility, or should be moved to your > own website. However, the motion I raised does not mention about that. > MOST pages in the wiki consist of the original research. But I do agree that exactly this situation with the wiki is problematic. People did find very old pages and asked questions about them (although this is rare these days but who knows how many just don't report to us). The wiki is also problematic from technical side. Actually the next meeting we need to discuss Lojban presence on the web in more detail. --001a11410cd2a4d5260530bda706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-04-18 10:36 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com><= /span>:
2016-04-18 7:= 17 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>
>
> 2016-04-18 9:50 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
>>
>> 2016-04-18 6:29 GMT+00:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > 2016-04-18 3:32 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> The mediawiki engine is a set of programs for maintaining= wiki pages
>> >> on the official website. The web directory for the offici= al website is
>> >> a symbolic link of a subdirectory of Gleki's personal= directory on
>> >> Vrici server that is run on Robin's machine. The cont= ents of the
>> >> official website are under control of Gleki, not of Robin= .
>> >>
>> >> Gleki put in the same directory his tools personalized fo= r the purpose
>> >> of teaching an unofficial language that he called "m= odern dialects of
>> >> Lojban". That is abuse of his administratorship on t= he official web
>> >> contents.
>> >
>> >
>> > That's not true. Only the directory /extensions has a sym= bolic link.
>> >
>>
>> OK. but that information does not change my conclusion because the=
>> directory /extensions is a subdirectory of your personal directory= .
>
>
> Ehm, mw.lojban.org/extensions is a symbolic link to a folder= to which I have
> read/write access.
>
> As for the wiki I have the same permissions to edits as you.
>

I meant this directory:
http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-= 1.19.2/extensions/

Yes, that's exac= tly what links to mw.lojban.or= g/extensions/
=C2=A0


I think you own also the control on the mediawiki engine, because you
did sometimes update the engine or add/remove extensions to it. I
remember you once got problem from updating it, and asked Mukti and me
for taking measures by modifying some pages.

Well, yes and no. I only provide ideas and prepare necessary extensio= ns or suggestions to changing settings.
The actual update is alwa= ys done by Robin.


As for the wiki pages, I pointed out in my open letter that you are
filling it with your original research, and I asserted that those
pages should include the responsibility, or should be moved to your
own website. However, the motion I raised does not mention about that.
<= /blockquote>

MOST pages in the wiki consist of the origi= nal research.=C2=A0

But I do agree that exactly th= is situation with the wiki is problematic. People did find very old pages a= nd asked questions about them (although this is rare these days but who kno= ws how many just don't report to us).
The wiki is also proble= matic from technical side.

Actually the n= ext meeting we need to discuss Lojban presence on the web in more detail.
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